Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 351, the freeze protocol

2005-10-29 Thread Josiah Carlson
Noam Raphael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I have thought about freezing for some time, and I think that it is a > fundamental need - the need to know, sometimes, that objects aren't > going to change. I agree with this point. > This is mostly the need of containers. dicts need to

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] commit of r41352 - in python/trunk: . Lib Lib/distutils Lib/distutils/command Lib/encodings

2005-10-29 Thread François Pinard
[Martin von Löwis] >Without a file, I wouldn't know how to edit the property, so I would >probably do >svn propget svn:ignore . > ignores >vim ignores >svn propset svn:ignore -F ignores . >rm ignores You can use `svn propedit' (or `svn pe'). -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] commit of r41352 - in python/trunk: . Lib Lib/distutils Lib/distutils/command Lib/encodings

2005-10-29 Thread Noam Raphael
> That might be reasonable. I just noticed that it is convenient to do > > svn propset svn:ignore -F .cvsignore . > > Without a file, I wouldn't know how to edit the property, so I would > probably do > > svn propget svn:ignore . > ignores > vim ignores > svn propset svn:ignore -F ignores . > rm ig

Re: [Python-Dev] svn:ignore

2005-10-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi, FWIW, I opened a bug report on Subversion some time ago so that patterns like "*.pyc" and "*.pyo" are ignored by default in Subversion. Feel free to add comments or vote for the bug: http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=2415 Regards Antoine.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] commit of r41352 - in python/trunk: . Lib Lib/distutils Lib/distutils/command Lib/encodings

2005-10-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: > Shouldn't we simply remove the .cvsignore files? Subversion doesn't use > them, > so they'll just end up getting out of sync with the svn:ignore properties. That might be reasonable. I just noticed that it is convenient to do svn propset svn:ignore -F .cvsignore .

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 351, the freeze protocol

2005-10-29 Thread Noam Raphael
Hello, I have thought about freezing for some time, and I think that it is a fundamental need - the need to know, sometimes, that objects aren't going to change. This is mostly the need of containers. dicts need to know that the objects that are used as keys aren't going to change, because if the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] commit of r41352 - in python/trunk: . Lib Lib/distutils Lib/distutils/command Lib/encodings

2005-10-29 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Saturday 29 October 2005 15:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Author: martin.v.loewis > Date: Sat Oct 29 21:40:21 2005 > New Revision: 41352 > > Modified: >python/trunk/ (props changed) >python/trunk/.cvsignore ... > Add *.pyc to svn:ignore. > Add libpython*.a to .cvsignore and s

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-29 Thread Fred L. Drake, Jr.
On Friday 28 October 2005 21:29, Tim Peters wrote: > - Finding out what's changed in your sandbox. Use "svn status" > for that. Bonus: in return for creating zillions of admin files, > "svn status" > is a local operation (no network access required). Do "svn status -u" > to get, in add

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 12:44, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > What do others think? I personally found those long subject lines > listing all the changed files very ugly and unreadable. Me too. At work our subject lines contain something like: Subject: [SVN][reponame] checkin of r12345 - dir/containi

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Simon Percivall wrote: > Could the subject lines of those messages please be changed to something > more informative? Having which files were changed in the subject seems > better than having only the new rev and the folders the files are in. I'm neither sure whether that should be done, or whethe

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

2005-10-29 Thread Simon Percivall
On 27 okt 2005, at 19.57, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Michael Hudson wrote: > >> Do checkins to svn.python.org go to the python-checkins list already? >> > > They do indeed - you should have received one commit message by now > (me testing whether committing works, on PEP 347). Could the subject line

Re: [Python-Dev] Freezing the CVS on Oct 26 for SVN switchover

2005-10-29 Thread Oleg Broytmann
Hello! On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:29:09PM -0400, Tim Peters wrote: > - Finding out what's changed in your sandbox. Use "svn status" svn diff uses locally saved copies of files. This increases speed by trading for the disk space. It also decreases net traffic; that's important for those who ha

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Antoine Pitrou wrote: > FWIW, being French, I don't remember hearing any programmer wish (s)he > could use non-ASCII identifiers, in any programming language. But > arguably translitteration is very straight-forward (although a bit > lossless at times ;-)). My canonical example is François Pinard,

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-29 Thread Fabien Schwob
> FWIW, being French, I don't remember hearing any programmer wish (s)he > could use non-ASCII identifiers, in any programming language. But > arguably translitteration is very straight-forward (although a bit > lossless at times ;-)). > > I think typeability and reproduceability should be weighte

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
> Thanks for these data. This mostly reflects my experience with German > and French users: some people would like to use non-ASCII identifiers > if they could, other argue they never would as a matter of principle. > Of course, transliteration is more straight-forward. FWIW, being French, I don'

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-29 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 10:56 +0200, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Atsuo Ishimoto wrote: > > I'm +0.1 for non-ASCII identifiers, although module names should remain > > ASCII. ASCII identifiers might be encouraged, but as Martin said, it is > > very useful for some groups of users. > > Thanks for these

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicitconversions).

2005-10-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Atsuo Ishimoto wrote: > I'm +0.1 for non-ASCII identifiers, although module names should remain > ASCII. ASCII identifiers might be encouraged, but as Martin said, it is > very useful for some groups of users. Thanks for these data. This mostly reflects my experience with German and French users: