Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Thursday 11 January 2007 05:13, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > It is my strong preference that we not go down this path. > Instead, the 2.6 vs 3.0 difference analysis should go in an > external lint utility. I don't see how an external utility can possibly catch everything that's going to break -

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread James Y Knight
On Jan 11, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Anthony Baxter wrote: > I'm plan to try and make the transition as painless as possible. I'm glad to hear it. > The goal is to have a first alpha sometime this year - there is > absolutely no chance of a 3.0 final this year. Duly noted. >> Basically: my plea is: ple

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Friday 12 January 2007 06:09, James Y Knight wrote: > On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Benji York wrote: > > Paul Moore wrote: > >> How many other projects/packages anticipate *not* migrating to > >> Py3K, I wonder? > > > > I certainly can't speak for the project as a whole, but I > > anticipate a f

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Code working in both 2.x and 3.X

2007-01-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 1/11/07, Ron Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Jewett wrote: > > Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > > >> Also, I'm wondering if the desire for 2.6 warnings is based on the notion > >> that > >> it will be possible to get large tools to work under both Py2.x and Py3.x. > > > > I had certainly assu

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Armin Rigo schrieb: > Hi Paul, > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:10:10PM +, Paul Moore wrote: >> How many other projects/packages anticipate *not* migrating to Py3K, I >> wonder? > > FWIW: Psyco. What will PyPy do? It will certainly support compiling Py3k code at some point, but will the codeb

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi Paul, On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:10:10PM +, Paul Moore wrote: > How many other projects/packages anticipate *not* migrating to Py3K, I wonder? FWIW: Psyco. Armin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/l

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread Steve Holden
Mike Orr wrote: [...] > > How did Perl 4 and Perl 5 handle the situation? I basically waited > 2-3 years after Perl 5 came out, then started programming the new way. > If it mattered (it didn't), I would have tied my applications > specifically to Perl 4. > It's probably a good job you aren't h

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread Mike Orr
On 1/11/07, James Y Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the goal is really to have Py 3.0 be released later this year, 3.0 alpha is scheduled for this year. 3.0 final is not scheduled till next year, and of course another level of tweaks will have to be made after it's been in the Real World f

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread Georg Brandl
James Y Knight schrieb: > If Python 3.0 was simply a release which removed deprecated features, > there would clearly be no issue. I would update my code in advance of > the 3.0 release to not use any of those features being removed, and > I'm all set. But that's not what I'm hearing. Python

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread James Y Knight
On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Benji York wrote: > Paul Moore wrote: >> How many other projects/packages anticipate *not* migrating to >> Py3K, I wonder? > > I certainly can't speak for the project as a whole, but I anticipate a > fair bit of work to port Zope 3 (100+ KLOC) to Python 3.0. I (anot

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Warning for 2.6 and greater

2007-01-11 Thread glyph
On 10 Jan, 11:10 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On 10/01/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I've been assuming for some time that the only hope for Py3k compatibility >>within Twisted would be using PyPy as a translation layer. >Does this ring as many warning bells for me as it does

[Python-Dev] Code working in both 2.x and 3.X

2007-01-11 Thread Jim Jewett
Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Also, I'm wondering if the desire for 2.6 warnings is based on the notion that > it will be possible to get large tools to work under both Py2.x and Py3.x. I had certainly assumed it would be possible. In fact, I had assumed that the 2->3 translator would have a mode w