Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Terry Reedy
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | FWIW, after Martin's explanation, and considering the annoyance of | keeping updates sync'ed (can PEPs be amended after acceptance, or only | superseded by a new PEP, like IETF RFCs?), Informational PEPs often ge

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-12 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/12/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/12/07, Tracker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] I clicked on the tracker link out of curiosity noticed that the tracker has been spammed -- issues 1028, 1029 and 1030 are all spam (1028 seems a test by the spammer). We know. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 5/12/07, Tracker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] I clicked on the tracker link out of curiosity noticed that the tracker has been spammed -- issues 1028, 1029 and 1030 are all spam (1028 seems a test by the spammer). These issues should be deleted and their creator's accounts disabled. BTW W

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have > | that there is a "policy" of "support" for both the current release > | (2.5) and the (still very widely used)

[Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-12 Thread Tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (05/06/07 - 05/13/07) Tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 1650 open ( +0) / 8584 closed ( +0) / 10234 total ( +0) Average duration of open issues: 791 days. Medi

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Terry Reedy
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | The impression that many people (including python-dev regulars) have | that there is a "policy" of "support" for both the current release | (2.5) and the (still very widely used) previous release (2.4) is a | real

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP: Maintenance of Python Releases

2007-05-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 12, 2007, at 9:02 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I don't understand the point of a "security release" made up to a year > after commit, especially in view of the first quoted paragraph. A > commit may not be made without confirming *immediat

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP: Maintenance of Python Releases

2007-05-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 12, 2007, at 4:29 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > This PEP attempts to formalize the existing practice, but goes beyond > it in introducing security releases. The addition of security releases > addresses various concerns I heard over the last yea

[Python-Dev] Draft PEP: Maintenance of Python Releases

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > A security fix must not risk the releasability of the branch, i.e. the > maintenance branch should be in a shape to produce a release out of it > as-is at all times. [...] > Security releases should be made at most one year after a security > patch has been commi

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> > I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases > > are produced, and what Python releases, and what kinds of changes > > they may contain. However, such a policy should be addressed > > primarily to contributors, as a guidance, not to users, as > > a promise. So I have pr

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases > are produced, and what Python releases, and what kinds of changes > they may contain. However, such a policy should be addressed > primarily to contributors, as a guidance, not to users, as > a prom

Re: [Python-Dev] New operations in Decimal

2007-05-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
Tim Peters wrote: > [Raymond Hettinger] >> ... >> My intention for the module is to be fully compliant with the spec and all >> of its >> tests. Code written in other languages which support the spec should expect >> to be transferrable to Python and run exactly as they did in the original >> la

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP: Maintenance of Python Releases

2007-05-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Please let me know what you think. This appears to be an accurate description of the way releases have been handled for the last few years (which appears to be working well), so +1 here. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Brisbane, Australia

[Python-Dev] Draft PEP: Maintenance of Python Releases

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
This PEP attempts to formalize the existing practice, but goes beyond it in introducing security releases. The addition of security releases addresses various concerns I heard over the last year about Python being short-lived. Those concerns are typically raised by Linux distributors which see that

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Python can dispose of a raft of bugs present only in the older > versions with WONTFIX at release of a new stable version (after > double-checking that they don't exist in the stable version). I'm all in favor of formalizing a policy of when Python releases are produced, and what Python releases

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: > This strikes me as an improvement, but 'maintain' is close to > 'support' and seems to make a promise that might also have > unintended legal consequences. But that is what your legal consel > is for. Unilateral statements on a web page do not constitute a contract. Impl

Re: [Python-Dev] Official version support statement

2007-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Why do you need such a statement? > > I think Fedora might want it, per recent discussions on fedora-devel-list. In that case, I would rather have somebody official of the Fedora list state the request explicitly, than basing it on hearsay. > "The Python Software Foundation maintains the curr