Re: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Aaron Brady
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:python- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raymond > Hettinger > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:35 PM > To: python-dev@python.org > Subject: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API > > Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets:

Re: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Aahz
On Fri, May 18, 2007, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets: > > * New method (proposed by Shane Holloway): s1.isdisjoint(s2). > Logically equivalent to "not s1.intersection(s2)" but has an early-out > if a common member is found. The speed-up is potentiall

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Aaron Brady
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:python- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen J. > Turnbull > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:10 AM > To: python-dev@python.org > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues > > O.R.Senthil Kumaran writes: > > > :-) My idea w

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Terry Reedy writes: > Why not simply embargo any post with an off-site link? Tho there might > have been some, I can't remember a single example of such at SF. Fine by me; if it doesn't happen often, then embargoing them would be fine. My occasional experience with distro reporting processes

Re: [Python-Dev] Wither PEP 335 (Overloadable Boolean Operators)?

2007-05-18 Thread Terry Reedy
"Guido van Rossum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | While reviewing PEPs, I stumbled over PEP 335 ( Overloadable Boolean | Operators) by Greg Ewing. I am of two minds of this -- on the one | hand, it's been a long time without any working code or anything. OTOH | it m

Re: [Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Mike Klaas
On 18-May-07, at 6:34 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets: > > * New method (proposed by Shane Holloway): s1.isdisjoint(s2). > Logically equivalent to "not s1.intersection(s2)" but has an early- > out if a common member is found. The speed-up is po

[Python-Dev] Py2.6 buildouts to the set API

2007-05-18 Thread Raymond Hettinger
Here some ideas that have been proposed for sets: * New method (proposed by Shane Holloway): s1.isdisjoint(s2). Logically equivalent to "not s1.intersection(s2)" but has an early-out if a common member is found. The speed-up is potentially large given two big sets that may largely overlap or

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I think it would be better to do content. URLs come to mind; without | something clickable, most commercial spam would be hamstrung. But | few bug reports and

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Terry Reedy
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I think it would be better to do content. URLs come to mind; without | something clickable, most commercial spam would be hamstrung. But | few bug reports and patches need to contain URLs, except for | specializ

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 5/18/07, Collin Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/18/07, Collin Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winter > > > > > > This is implemented (I'll update the PEP to ref

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Collin Winter
On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/18/07, Collin Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winter > > > > This is implemented (I'll update the PEP to reflect this). Has a > > decision been made as to whether 2.6 will s

Re: [Python-Dev] Wither PEP 335 (Overloadable Boolean Operators)?

2007-05-18 Thread Johan Dahlin
Guido van Rossum wrote: > While reviewing PEPs, I stumbled over PEP 335 ( Overloadable Boolean > Operators) by Greg Ewing. I am of two minds of this -- on the one > hand, it's been a long time without any working code or anything. OTOH > it might be quite useful to e.g. numpy folks. This kind of f

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 5/18/07, Collin Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winter > > This is implemented (I'll update the PEP to reflect this). Has a > decision been made as to whether 2.6 will support both "," and "as" in > except statements? I think 'excep

Re: [Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 18, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> Guido, can you tell me whether the concept of enums for Python is >> being rejected, or this specific proposal? My proposal would be >> quite different, and I think, more Pythonic. Should I bot

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Collin Winter
On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are the following accepted PEPs implemented and should be marked final: > > SA 3109 Raising Exceptions in Python 3000Winter Not yet implemented, will be this weekend. > SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in Python 3000 Winte

Re: [Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 5/18/07, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are the following accepted PEPs implemented and should be marked final: > > SA 358 The "bytes" Object Schemenauer, GvR > SA 3106 Revamping dict.keys(), .values() & .items() GvR Not yet -- the implementations of t

Re: [Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 5/18/07, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 18, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > SR 354 Enumerations in Python Finney > > Rejected; not enough interest, not sufficiently Pythonic. > > I have a competing proposal for enumerations which I just

[Python-Dev] accepted peps that should be final?

2007-05-18 Thread Neal Norwitz
Are the following accepted PEPs implemented and should be marked final: SA 358 The "bytes" Object Schemenauer, GvR SA 3106 Revamping dict.keys(), .values() & .items() GvR SA 3109 Raising Exceptions in Python 3000Winter SA 3110 Catching Exceptions in

Re: [Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 18, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > SR 354 Enumerations in Python Finney > Rejected; not enough interest, not sufficiently Pythonic. I have a competing proposal for enumerations which I just haven't gotte

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread skip
Jeff> 1) How is the project governed? How does the community make Jeff>decisions on what goes into a release? Jeff>You know, I've been a member of the Python community for many Jeff>years -- I know about PEPs, Guido as BDFL, and +1/-1. But I've Jeff>never fig

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Brett Cannon schrieb: > 4) How many committers to the cPython core are there? > >I don't have the necessary access to the pydotorg infrastructure >to answer this -- can someone who does help me out here? > > > According to > http://www.ohloh.net/projects/26/analyses/latest/

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Time is short and I'm still looking for answers to some questions about cPython, so that it makes a good showing in the Forrester survey. 1) How is the project governed? How does the community make decisions on what goes into a release? Y

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEPs] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 5/18/07, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 5/18/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With the help of Neal Norwitz, Jeremy Hylton, Alex Martelli and Collin > > Winter, I've greatly reduced the set of open PEPs numbered less than > > 3000. Here's a summary. Please sp

[Python-Dev] Wither PEP 335 (Overloadable Boolean Operators)?

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
While reviewing PEPs, I stumbled over PEP 335 ( Overloadable Boolean Operators) by Greg Ewing. I am of two minds of this -- on the one hand, it's been a long time without any working code or anything. OTOH it might be quite useful to e.g. numpy folks. It is time to reject it due to lack of interes

Re: [Python-Dev] [PEPs] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On 5/18/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With the help of Neal Norwitz, Jeremy Hylton, Alex Martelli and Collin Winter, I've greatly reduced the set of open PEPs numbered less than 3000. Here's a summary. Please speak up if we've made a grave error; I take all responsibility for t

Re: [Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Jack Diederich
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:23:46AM -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: > Time is short and I'm still looking for answers to some questions about > cPython, so that it makes a good showing in the Forrester survey. > [snip] > > 4) How many committers to the cPython core are there? > >I don't have the nece

[Python-Dev] Mass PEP status changes

2007-05-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
With the help of Neal Norwitz, Jeremy Hylton, Alex Martelli and Collin Winter, I've greatly reduced the set of open PEPs numbered less than 3000. Here's a summary. Please speak up if we've made a grave error; I take all responsibility for the final decisions. Positive Decisions (Marked Accepted or

[Python-Dev] Need Survey Answers from Core Developers

2007-05-18 Thread Jeff Rush
Time is short and I'm still looking for answers to some questions about cPython, so that it makes a good showing in the Forrester survey. 1) How is the project governed? How does the community make decisions on what goes into a release? You know, I've been a member of the Python community

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Tracker Issues

2007-05-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
O.R.Senthil Kumaran writes: > :-) My idea was, a human got to answer it unscrambled as 'fourth' as he > "understands" what the question is and gives the proper answer. > Agreed, there could be confusion at first. But for any given user, there's only going to be a first. Either they pass the