Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mark Dickinson
On 10/16/07, Daniel Stutzbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/16/07, Mark Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the reverse conversion to get a Decimal result; both of these > > conversions (tuple of digits <-> integer) take time quadratic in the > > size of the tuple/integer. > > Instead of

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Greg Ewing
Steve Holden wrote: > Using a radix notation for literals would, IMHO, be acceptable if you > can get the idea accepted This would make decimal (or at least a part of it) a required part of the Python core rather than an optional module. There might be some resistance to that. -- Greg __

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Extension Building Network

2007-10-16 Thread Joseph Armbruster
Mike, I had been working on getting my box ready to function as one of these: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BuildbotOnWindows. However, I will help out in whatever way possible. If the team feels it could be better utilized doing this, let's do it. VS2005 only fits in because I happen to own a

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mateusz Rukowicz
Facundo Batista wrote: >2007/10/15, Mateusz Rukowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >Welcome back, :) > > Hi :> >>merging C Decimal with main tree are much lower than year ago, so I >>would like to know if there is still interest in C version of Decimal. >>If so - should I write PEP, or just code a

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Steve Holden
Facundo Batista wrote: > 2007/10/15, Mateusz Rukowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I've been working on C decimal project during gSoC 2006. After year >> of idling (I had extremely busy first year on University, but well, most >> of us are extremely busy) I decided, that I will handle further >

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Facundo Batista
2007/10/15, Mateusz Rukowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've been working on C decimal project during gSoC 2006. After year > of idling (I had extremely busy first year on University, but well, most > of us are extremely busy) I decided, that I will handle further Welcome back, :) > merging C D

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Robert Kern
Mateusz Rukowicz wrote: > Grzegorz Makarewicz wrote: > >> Python in high aritmetic - nice, but in standard ? - using computation >> effective representation as in this "demand" should be put as *must* >> have ? in standard python ? - decimal with it's speed is sufficient - if >> U need more speed

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mateusz Rukowicz
Grzegorz Makarewicz wrote: > >Python in high aritmetic - nice, but in standard ? - using computation >effective representation as in this "demand" should be put as *must* >have ? in standard python ? - decimal with it's speed is sufficient - if >U need more speed use more spohisticated data struct

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mateusz Rukowicz
Mark Dickinson wrote: >On 10/16/07, Fredrik Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>A more radical proposal would be to change Python's long type to use a >>radix-10**n representation (Python 3000 or beyond?). >> >> > >Mightn't this produce significant (constant factor) slowdowns for long

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mark Dickinson
On 10/16/07, Fredrik Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is another alternative, which is to use integers exclusively for > both representation and arithmetic, and only compute an explicit digit > tuple or string in special cases. I'm doing this in in mpmath > (http://code.google.com/p/mpm

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On 10/16/07, Mark Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The alternative would be to implement addition digit-by-digit in > decimal.py; this would be asymptotically linear but would be much > slower for the low precision ( < 50 digits, say) > decimals that almost everybody is going to be using in

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mateusz Rukowicz
Mark Dickinson wrote: >I'm almost sure that adding 4 digit numbers together is not what >Decimal was intended to be used for, but it still seems unreasonable >that it takes almost 5 seconds to do such an addition. The reason for >the quadratic behaviour is that almost all the arithmetic routi

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mark Dickinson
On 10/16/07, Mateusz Rukowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I am pretty sure, that addition works in linear time in Python > version :>. Unfortunately not. Here are some timings from my laptop: >>> from timeit import Timer >>> Timer("x+x", "from decimal import Decimal; x = Decimal('1'*5000)

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mateusz Rukowicz
Mark Dickinson wrote: >On 10/15/07, Mateusz Rukowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>[...] I >>would like to know if there is still interest in C version of Decimal. >>If so - should I write PEP, or just code and 'we'll see later'? >> >> > >I'd be happy to see decimal.py replaced by a C ver

Re: [Python-Dev] C Decimal - is there any interest?

2007-10-16 Thread Mark Dickinson
On 10/15/07, Mateusz Rukowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] I > would like to know if there is still interest in C version of Decimal. > If so - should I write PEP, or just code and 'we'll see later'? I'd be happy to see decimal.py replaced by a C version giving essentially the same functiona

[Python-Dev] PyCon 2008: Call for Talk & Tutorial Proposals

2007-10-16 Thread David Goodger
Proposals for PyCon 2008 talks & tutorials are now being accepted. The deadline for proposals is November 16. PyCon 2008 will be held in Chicago, Illinois, USA, from March 13-20. Please see the full announcement here: http://pycon.blogspot.com/2007/10/call-for-talk-tutorial-proposals.html -- Da

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

2007-10-16 Thread Wolfgang Langner
On 10/16/07, Wolfgang Langner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> I wonder if we should start maintaining a list of Python developers > > >> for hire somewhere on python.org, beyond the existing Jobs page. Is > > >> anyone in