On Jan 9, 2008 9:08 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I went to the run2 page:
>
> http://scan.coverity.com/rung2.html
>
> I shows 6 uninspected defects for Python. How do we see what they are?
> What is an uninspected defect? Any idea how the Coverity folks compute
> Defects/KLOC? For exa
On Jan 9, 2008 9:08 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Christian> I read the announcement of the Python Users list and figured
> Christian> out that some of the other core developers might be
> Christian> interested in the news, too.
>
> Christian> Among other projects Python was u
On Jan 9, 2008 1:12 PM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thomas Heller wrote:
> > Seems they are referring to the results of the rung 1 run (what ever 'rung'
> > means ;-).
> > With the account Neal made me some months ago, I can login on this page:
> >
> >http://scan.coverity.com
At 03:20 AM 1/10/2008 +0100, Christian Heimes wrote:
>PyObject* PyImport_NotifyModuleLoaded(PyObject *module)
>Notify the post import system that a module was requested. Returns the
>module or NULL if an error has occured.
The big problem here is that the interaction with laziness is
actu
I've parted the former PEP as promised. Here is the post import hook.
I'll tackle the other half of the PEP later.
PEP: 369
Title: Post import hooks
Version: $Revision$
Last-Modified: $Date$
Author: Christian Heimes
Status: Draft
Type: Standards Track
Content-Type: text/x-rst
Created: 02-Jan-200
Hi,
I've taken a look at some bugs in the bugtracker. I think these should be
closed:
http://bugs.python.org/issue1720992 is about automatic imports.
http://bugs.python.org/issue1448325
and
http://bugs.python.org/issue1566086
is about the regular expression engine "hanging". These are duplicate
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On Jan 7, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Tristan Seligmann wrote:
>
> In that case how about:
>
> ~/.local/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages
>
> or:
>
> ~/local/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages
>
> I believe both of these locations are already in use by various
> systems
>
Paul Moore wrote:
[...]
> No matter how you cut it, Windows isn't designed for per-user
> installable programs. Maybe a per-user site-packages just isn't
> appropriate on Windows.
>
This reminds me of the early days of Microsoft Terminal Service (read:
"X Window done wrong fifteen years later"),
On 09/01/2008, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Moore wrote:
> > If you are suggesting that a file intended to be viewed/edited by a
> > user manually should go in AppData, then please be explicit. We can
> > then argue the concrete issues, rather than just theoretical
> > princip
At 09:20 PM 1/9/2008 +0100, Christian Heimes wrote:
>Brett Cannon wrote:
> > I agree with Nick and Nick. This should really be two separate PEPs.
>
>I'm fine with the proposal and I'm going to chop the PEP in two parts
>tonight.
>
>Somehow I suspect that the lazy import PEP will be postponed or re
Christian Heimes schrieb:
> Thomas Heller wrote:
>> Seems they are referring to the results of the rung 1 run (what ever 'rung'
>> means ;-).
>> With the account Neal made me some months ago, I can login on this page:
>>
>>http://scan.coverity.com:7475/
>>
>> and see the scan results for Pyt
Thomas Heller wrote:
> Seems they are referring to the results of the rung 1 run (what ever 'rung'
> means ;-).
> With the account Neal made me some months ago, I can login on this page:
>
>http://scan.coverity.com:7475/
>
> and see the scan results for Python.
>
> Last run at 2007-12-27: 1
Brett Cannon wrote:
> I agree with Nick and Nick. This should really be two separate PEPs.
I'm fine with the proposal and I'm going to chop the PEP in two parts
tonight.
Somehow I suspect that the lazy import PEP will be postponed or reject.
Christian
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Guido van Rossum schrieb:
> On Jan 9, 2008 9:47 AM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I shows 6 uninspected defects for Python. How do we see what they are?
>> > What is an uninspected defect? Any idea how the Coverity folks compute
>> > Defects/KLOC? For
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> Christian> I read the announcement of the Python Users list and figured
> Christian> out that some of the other core developers might be
> Christian> interested in the news, too.
>
> Christian> Among other projects Python was upgraded to Rung 2 on the
>
Paul Moore wrote:
> If you are suggesting that a file intended to be viewed/edited by a
> user manually should go in AppData, then please be explicit. We can
> then argue the concrete issues, rather than just theoretical
> principles.
I'm frustrated as well. Neither AppData nor MyDocuments fulfill
On Jan 9, 2008 7:38 AM, Nick Coghlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nick Craig-Wood wrote:
> > Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I've attached the first public draft of my first PEP.
> >
> > Some brief thoughts from me on the PEP...
> >
> > Post import hooks sound great and a good ide
On Jan 9, 2008 9:47 AM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I shows 6 uninspected defects for Python. How do we see what they are?
> > What is an uninspected defect? Any idea how the Coverity folks compute
> > Defects/KLOC? For example, how does tcl manage to
> One-liner summary: Would it be possible to change PyAPI_DATA(type) into
> PyAPI_DATA(type, variablename) to help portability to funny platforms?
Quick response: this sounds fine to me. Of course, changing it in 2.5.x
is not possible, but making the change in 2.6 should be possible. I
would like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I shows 6 uninspected defects for Python. How do we see what they are?
> What is an uninspected defect? Any idea how the Coverity folks compute
> Defects/KLOC? For example, how does tcl manage to get a 0.0 score?
I can't answer your question. I don't have access to the
Neil Toronto wrote:
> Aside:
>
> Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> My main concern is that the import lock is something Python users
>> typically don't have to worry about (aside from the 'don't spawn a
>> thread as a side effect of importing' guideline)...
>
> I've never heard of this and I can't get Goo
Aside:
Nick Coghlan wrote:
> My main concern is that the import lock is something Python users
> typically don't have to worry about (aside from the 'don't spawn a
> thread as a side effect of importing' guideline)...
I've never heard of this and I can't get Google to find it. Is it a
deadlock
Christian> I read the announcement of the Python Users list and figured
Christian> out that some of the other core developers might be
Christian> interested in the news, too.
Christian> Among other projects Python was upgraded to Rung 2 on the
Christian> Coverity Scan list: ht
Hello, python-dev!
One-liner summary: Would it be possible to change PyAPI_DATA(type) into
PyAPI_DATA(type, variablename) to help portability to funny platforms?
We've been working on porting the Python 2.5.1 core to the Symbian S60
smartphone platform. Unlike the previous 2.2.2 port, this time w
Christian Heimes wrote:
> Joseph Armbruster wrote:
>> Christian,
>>
>> Is there any way you (or someone else) could post up the results? It
>> looks like you need a log in to check them out.
>
> I haven't figured out how to access the results.
>
> Who has a login and access to the site?
I know
Nick Craig-Wood wrote:
> Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've attached the first public draft of my first PEP.
>
> Some brief thoughts from me on the PEP...
>
> Post import hooks sound great and a good idea.
>
> Lazy importing sounds like a recipe for hard to find bugs and rather
Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> Christian,
>
> Is there any way you (or someone else) could post up the results? It
> looks like you need a log in to check them out.
I haven't figured out how to access the results.
Who has a login and access to the site?
Christian
_
On 09/01/2008, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not an issue for experienced users. For the rest we can put a link
> in the start menu under Python 2.5 which opens a new explorer with the
> user package directory.
Um, I'm an experienced user and it's an issue for me...
The probl
I read the announcement of the Python Users list and figured out that
some of the other core developers might be interested in the news, too.
Among other projects Python was upgraded to Rung 2 on the Coverity Scan
list: http://scan.coverity.com/
Christian
Paul Moore wrote:
> The directories are also hidden. That does make it hard to navigate
> there. I know you can un-hide hidden files, but I view the hidden
> attribute as useful - just badly misused in this case, unless you
> assume that these directories are intended to be left alone by the
> user
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
> Careful with the name though. Microsoft Windows Vista did away with 'My
> Documents & Settings'. It is now C:\Users.
>
> So you get:
>
> C:\Users\\AppData\Local\(former Local Settings\Application Data)
> C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\ (former Application Da
On 09/01/2008, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Only because Windows XP uses a stupidly long path with spaces in it.
> It's not actually *hard* to navigate manually to these directories.
The directories are also hidden. That does make it hard to navigate
there. I know you can un-hide hid
Paul Moore wrote:
> On 09/01/2008, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Note today's Coding Horror blog entry: "Don't Pollute User Space"
>>
>> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001032.html
>>
>> Keep your dirty, filthy paws out of my personal user space!
>>
>
> :-) Absolu
Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've attached the first public draft of my first PEP.
Some brief thoughts from me on the PEP...
Post import hooks sound great and a good idea.
Lazy importing sounds like a recipe for hard to find bugs and rather
too magic for my taste.
Perhaps you
On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:48 AM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
> -On [20080108 17:07], Christian Heimes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> Python's _winreg module and pywin32 expose several functions to
>> get the
>> paths from the registry but I don't think it has a simple function
>> like
>> ge
On 09/01/2008, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Note today's Coding Horror blog entry: "Don't Pollute User Space"
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001032.html
>
> Keep your dirty, filthy paws out of my personal user space!
:-) Absolutely
[...]
> If applications need to sto
Nick Coghlan wrote:
> Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
>
>> -On [20080108 17:07], Christian Heimes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>
>>> Python's _winreg module and pywin32 expose several functions to get the
>>> paths from the registry but I don't think it has a simple function like
>>> ge
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
> -On [20080108 17:07], Christian Heimes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> Python's _winreg module and pywin32 expose several functions to get the
>> paths from the registry but I don't think it has a simple function like
>> get_mydocuments().
>
> Careful with the
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