Re: [Python-Dev] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Hasan Diwan
I'll volunteer to do a French translation of the release. -- Cheers, Hasan Diwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options

Re: [Python-Dev] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Barry Warsaw schrieb: > PEP 101 is sorely out of date, especially with regards to updating web > content and the Python documentation. I think I now know how to > update the python.org web site, but the new Python documentation > format is still a mystery to me. If someone would like to help upd

Re: [Python-Dev] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Pavel Vinogradov
On 3/1/08, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When 3.0a2 was released I contacted two larger German IT news sites. Non > of them even bother to reply. :/ > > I propose that we provide two official texts for the press. A shorter > text which explains Python and the most important chan

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-01 Thread Stefan Behnel
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I'm > happy to announce the first alpha release of Python 2.6, and the third > alpha release of Python 3.0. Cool! :) But how comes the release notes for Python 3a3 on the download site are the same as for 3a2

Re: [Python-Dev] C-API status of Python 3?

2008-03-01 Thread Stefan Behnel
Christian Heimes wrote: > Stefan Behnel wrote: >> I would like to know how stable the C-API of Python 3 is, or what the >> expected >> release level (beta?) would be at which I can expect it to stabilise. What is >> the plan here? The release schedule in PEP 3000 says "August 2008" for 3.0 final,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Christian Heimes writes: > It may sound like a dumb question by why do we need a release tool > at all? I was involved in the release process of 3.0a2. Almost > every step of the build process required human interaction. Interaction, yes, but often it can be reduced to "Abort, retry, fail?"

Re: [Python-Dev] C-API status of Python 3?

2008-03-01 Thread Alex Martelli
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > The 3.0 API isn't stable yet. I plan to rename some of the functions > before the first beta is released. Currently the naming schema is too > confusing: > > PyUnicode - str > PyString - bytes > PyBytes - by

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Alex Martelli
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > I also propose translations of the shorter text to important languages > > like French, German, Japanese, Portuguese and Spanish. I'm willing to > > help with the German translation. > > Cool, thanks. I'd like

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread skip
Barry> The dependency on gtk is unnecessary and means it can effectively Barry> only be run on Linux. Specifically it means I can't do releases Barry> on OS X. I don't see much benefit in having a gui tool for doing Barry> releases. Gtk and Glade are available through MacPorts,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> It may sound like a dumb question by why do we need a release tool at > all? I was involved in the release process of 3.0a2. Almost every step > of the build process required human interaction. I don't want to > diminish the effort that was put into welease though. But maybe (!) the > same time

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Christian Heimes
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > I guess every release manager is free to come up with his own set of > tools, but I feel you've given up too quickly (or started too late - > perhaps a test release run a few days before the release would have > helped). > > In any case, I'm willing to help with welease, b

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> With apologies to Anthony, welease is crack. I made pretty good >> progress once I ditched it and starting doing things manually. >> Between now and the next alpha I intend to work on a com

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> The 2.6a1 x86 MSI is there, but the 3.0a3 x86 MSI is still giving a 404. Please try again - *those* files weren't actually there when I sent my last message; I just built them. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://m

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Thanks for fixing these Martin! I have now also uploaded signed MSI files for 3.0a3. I have not tested them on a machine which doesn't have the VS 2008 CRT installed (as all the machines I can access right now do have it); please report what works and what doesn't. Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 1, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > I *never* sync changes from trunk Misc/NEWS to py3k Misc/NEWS. From my > point of view it doesn't make sense to put Python 2.6 changes in the > same section as Python 3.0 changes. Moving changes fr

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-01 Thread Paul Moore
On 01/03/2008, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As of 4:50 PM EST, the links to Windows installers give 404 File Not > > Found. > > > > I gather that they are still in process, > > and notice that there is no public c.l.p. announcement. > > > I just fixed that. The files were t

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> With apologies to Anthony, welease is crack. I made pretty good > progress once I ditched it and starting doing things manually. > Between now and the next alpha I intend to work on a command line > script to help with releases. If you're interested in helping, let me > know. I guess

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> As of 4:50 PM EST, the links to Windows installers give 404 File Not >> Found. >> >> I gather that they are still in process, >> and notice that there is no public c.l.p. announcement. > > I just

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> As of 4:50 PM EST, the links to Windows installers give 404 File Not > Found. > > I gather that they are still in process, > and notice that there is no public c.l.p. announcement. I just fixed that. The files were there; just the links were wrong. Regards, Martin __

Re: [Python-Dev] C-API status of Python 3?

2008-03-01 Thread Christian Heimes
Stefan Behnel wrote: > I would like to know how stable the C-API of Python 3 is, or what the expected > release level (beta?) would be at which I can expect it to stabilise. What is > the plan here? > > The background is Cython, which will need to support Python 3 one day or > another, so I wanted

Re: [Python-Dev] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Christian Heimes
Barry Warsaw wrote: > I will definitely need help keeping the various NEWS files up to > date. I don't see any way that I'll be able to spend time on these > when I'm cutting a release. Python 2.6 NEWS was simply impossible to > proofread because of its sheer size and the fact that it was the fir

[Python-Dev] C-API status of Python 3?

2008-03-01 Thread Stefan Behnel
Hi all, I would like to know how stable the C-API of Python 3 is, or what the expected release level (beta?) would be at which I can expect it to stabilise. What is the plan here? The background is Cython, which will need to support Python 3 one day or another, so I wanted to know from which poin

Re: [Python-Dev] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Christian Heimes
Steve Holden wrote: > PyCon is using a PR team to help with publicity. Maybe we can ask them > for assistance on how to get the word out? That's a *very* good idea! Let's ask some professionals rather than writing something on our own. Christian ___ Py

Re: [Python-Dev] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 1, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> In this case, there was a lot more work to do because 2.6 wasn't tied >> in at all. Add to the fact that I didn't have any experience with >> the >> website infrastructure

[Python-Dev] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just announced the 2.6a1 and 3.0a3 releases, and am thawing both branches. Just some quick feedback in case anybody is interested. First, huge thanks go to Brett Cannon, Neal Norwitz, Mark Dickinson and Fred Drake for their help last night. A

Re: [Python-Dev] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Christian Heimes
Barry Warsaw wrote: > In this case, there was a lot more work to do because 2.6 wasn't tied > in at all. Add to the fact that I didn't have any experience with the > website infrastructure made things a bit more difficult the first time > out. I still don't quite have the 2.6 links working correc

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6a1 and 3.0a3

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I'm happy to announce the first alpha release of Python 2.6, and the third alpha release of Python 3.0. Python 2.6 is not only the next advancement in the Python 2 series, it is

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 1, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Steve Holden wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Steve Holden wrote: >> >>> If you can document the web stuff you have to do I will formalize

Re: [Python-Dev] No releases tonight

2008-03-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 1, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Steve Holden wrote: > If you can document the web stuff you have to do I will formalize it > as > a procedure for use in future releases. Hi Steve, In this case, there was a lot more work to do because 2.6 wasn't tied