Re: [Python-Dev] [Fwd: In Python 2.6, bytes is str]

2008-10-06 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does make it look rather as though bytes == str was a decision whose consequences weren't fully appreciated before implementation. Well, you could say that about almost any change. Was this horror anticipated? I

[Python-Dev] In Python 2.6, bytes is str (fwd)

2008-10-06 Thread skip
Saw this on python-list. I suspect it's a known issue, but just in case, I thought I'd pass it along. Skip ---BeginMessage--- Python 3 has the 'bytes' type, which the string type I've long wanted in various languages. Among other advantages, it is immutable, and therefore bytes objects can

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-06 Thread Facundo Batista
2008/10/5 Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: foobar-1.0-py2.6.tar.gz foobar-1.0-py3.0.tar.gz More likely, in this way: foobar-1.0-py2.tar.gz foobar-1.0-py3.tar.gz How do you implement this in distutils? People probably won't rename the files from how sdist names them. So it's more

Re: [Python-Dev] [Fwd: In Python 2.6, bytes is str]

2008-10-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
Brett Cannon wrote: What I would like to know if there are any other gotchas beyond the constructor as all of the other uses act as you would expect. Mainly that indexing returns one character substrings instead of ints. The bytes type is there as an indicator of what bytes literals represent

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-06 Thread Paul Moore
2008/10/6 Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes: Although it would be possible, I think it's not appropriate. I also think it's inappropriate. We want people to know about the existence of Python 3, and the best for that is to have Python 3-related

[Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread Neal Norwitz
Should we plan to put out a final 2.5 release? If so, should we continue to backport fixes (like Martin's removal of Alpha in setup.py)? My preference is that we do put out a final 2.5 that has all accumulated bug fixes. Then close the branch. That way if we put out a security release for 2.5,

Re: [Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread skip
Neal Should we plan to put out a final 2.5 release? I'm probably a bad person to ask. At work we are still using 2.4. :-/ Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Neal Norwitz] Should we plan to put out a final 2.5 release? If so, should we continue to backport fixes (like Martin's removal of Alpha in setup.py)? My preference is that we do put out a final 2.5 that has all accumulated bug fixes. Then close the branch. That way if we put out a security

Re: [Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neal Norwitz wrote: Should we plan to put out a final 2.5 release? If so, should we continue to backport fixes (like Martin's removal of Alpha in setup.py)? My preference is that we do put out a final 2.5 that has all accumulated bug fixes. Then close the branch. That way if we put out a

Re: [Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
The 2.6/3.0 development process was so disruptive that I doubt that 2.5 received adequate attention for bug fixes. Why not wait two or three months for the dust to settle? Would it receive more attention in the next three months? Who specifically would give it that attention? Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 12:53:01PM -0700, Raymond Hettinger wrote: The 2.6/3.0 development process was so disruptive that I doubt that 2.5 received adequate attention for bug fixes. Why not wait two or three months for the dust to settle? Can you please clarify your meaning? Do you mean that

Re: [Python-Dev] I would like an Python account

2008-10-06 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, Brett gave me permissions to edit the bug tracker, yeah! I also would like an SVN account If I can't get an account, can anyone review my issues and/or commit the attached patches? Most contributions are recent but I'm waiting for some of these issues to be fixed before fixing other

Re: [Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[A.M. Kuchling] Can you please clarify your meaning? Do you mean that * we haven't been backporting fixes to 2.5? Unsure. I surely have given zero attention to 2.5. * we should wait to see if any horrible problems are reported in 2.6? Yes. That would be a great idea. * we need to

Re: [Python-Dev] status of 2.5

2008-10-06 Thread Terry Reedy
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: Should we plan to put out a final 2.5 release? If so, should we continue to backport fixes (like Martin's removal of Alpha in setup.py)? My preference is that we do put out a final 2.5 that has all accumulated bug fixes. Then close the branch. That

[Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be done, is this a reasonable schedule? Do we

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be done, is this a reasonable schedule? Do we need two more betas? Yes to

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread James Y Knight
On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: I'm not sure we do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the big ticket, issue bytes/unicode filepaths, has been resolved. And looking at the tracker, I only see 18 release blockers. Well, if you mean that the resolution decided upon is to simply