[Python-Dev] Problems compiling 2.6.1 on Solaris 10

2008-12-22 Thread Ellinghaus, Lance
I am hoping someone can assist me. I normally don't care if the _ctypes module builds or not, but I now need to have it build. I am running Solaris 10 with Sun's C compiler under SunStudio 11. After running 'configure' and 'make', the _ctypes module fails with the following error: cc -xcode=pic32

Re: [Python-Dev] Releasing 2.5.4

2008-12-22 Thread Scott Dial
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > It seems r67740 shouldn't have been committed. Since this > is a severe regression, I think I'll have to revert it, and > release 2.5.4 with just that change. My understanding of the problem is that clearerr() needs to be called before any FILE read operations on *some* pl

Re: [Python-Dev] If I check something in ...

2008-12-22 Thread skip
Martin> Instead, you should commit it into trunk, and then run svnmerge.py three Martin> times, namely: ... Thanks for that cheat sheet. I never would have figured that out on my own. Well, at least not in a timely fashion. Skip ___ Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> Now, we should find a way to benchmark this without having to steal Mike's >> machine and wait 30 minutes every time. > > So, I seem to reproduce it. The following script takes about 15 seconds to > run and allocates a 2 GB dict which it

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
Mike Coleman wrote: > If you plot this, it is clearly quadratic (or worse). Here's another comparison script that tries to probe the vagaries of the obmalloc implementation. It looks at the proportional increases in deallocation times for lists and dicts as the number of contained items increases

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Coleman
I unfortunately don't have time to work out how obmalloc works myself, but I wonder if any of the constants in that file might need to scale somehow with memory size. That is, is it possible that some of them that work okay with 1G RAM won't work well with (say) 128G or 1024G (coming soon enough)?

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Coleman
2008/12/22 Ivan Krstić : > On Dec 22, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Mike Coleman wrote: >> >> For (2), yes, 100% CPU usage. > > 100% _user_ CPU usage? (I'm trying to make sure we're not chasing some > particular degeneration of kmalloc/vmalloc and friends.) Yes, user. No noticeable sys or wait CPU going on.

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > This behaviour appears to be specific to deleting dicts, not deleting > random objects. I haven't yet confirmed that the problem still exists > in trunk (I hope to have time tonight or tomorrow), but in my previous > tests deleting millions of items stored in a list of t

Re: [Python-Dev] If I check something in ...

2008-12-22 Thread skip
Benjamin> If you check it into the trunk, it will find it's way into Benjamin> 2.6, 3.1, and 3.0. Outstanding! Thx, Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
> Now, we should find a way to benchmark this without having to steal Mike's > machine and wait 30 minutes every time. So, I seem to reproduce it. The following script takes about 15 seconds to run and allocates a 2 GB dict which it deletes at the end (gc disabled of course). With 2.4, deleting t

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Dec 22, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Mike Coleman wrote: For (2), yes, 100% CPU usage. 100% _user_ CPU usage? (I'm trying to make sure we're not chasing some particular degeneration of kmalloc/vmalloc and friends.) -- Ivan Krstić | http://radian.org ___

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Coleman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Adam Olsen wrote: > To make sure that's the correct line please recompile python without > optimizations. GCC happily reorders and merges different parts of a > function. > > Adding a counter in C and recompiling would be a lot faster than using > a gdb hook. Oka

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Coleman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Ivan Krstić wrote: > It's still not clear to me, from reading the whole thread, precisely what > you're seeing. A self-contained test case, preferably with generated random > data, would be great, and save everyone a lot of investigation time. I'm still working on

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> Allocation of a new pool would have to do a linear search in these >> pointers (finding the arena with the least number of pools); > > You mean the least number of free pools, right? Correct. > IIUC, the heuristic is to favour > a small number of busy arenas rather than a lot of sparse ones.

Re: [Python-Dev] If I check something in ...

2008-12-22 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:27 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > You shouldn't check it in four times. But (IMO) you also shouldn't wait > for somebody else to merge it (I know some people disagree with that > recommendation). I don't completely disagree. Certainly, if you want to make sure your chang

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: > > It then occurred that there are only 64 different values for nfreepools, > as ARENA_SIZE is 256kiB, and POOL_SIZE is 4kiB. So rather than keeping > the list sorted, I now propose to maintain 64 lists, accessible in > an array double-linked lists indexed by

Re: [Python-Dev] If I check something in ...

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I would like to add it to the 2.6 and 3.0 maintenance branch and the 2.x > trunk and the py3k branch. What is the preferred way to do that? Do I > really have to do the same task four times or can I check it in once (or > twice) secure in the belief that someone will come along and do a monster

Re: [Python-Dev] Hello everyone + little question around Cpython/stackless

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I'm currently studying all I can find on stackless python, PYPY and the > concepts they've brought to Python, and so far I wonder : since > stackless python claims to be 100% compatible with CPython's extensions, > faster, and brings lots of fun stuffs (tasklets, coroutines and no C > stack), how

Re: [Python-Dev] If I check something in ...

2008-12-22 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > > I have this trivial little test case for test_file.py: > >+def testReadWhenWriting(self): >+self.assertRaises(IOError, self.f.read) > > I would like to add it to the 2.6 and 3.0 maintenance branch and the 2.x > trunk and the py3k bra

[Python-Dev] If I check something in ...

2008-12-22 Thread skip
I have this trivial little test case for test_file.py: +def testReadWhenWriting(self): +self.assertRaises(IOError, self.f.read) I would like to add it to the 2.6 and 3.0 maintenance branch and the 2.x trunk and the py3k branch. What is the preferred way to do that? Do I rea

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Investigating further, from one stop, I used gdb to follow the chain > of pointers in the nextarena and prevarena directions. There were > 5449 and 112765 links, respectively. maxarenas is 131072. To reduce the time for keeping sorted lists of arenas, I was first thinking of a binheap. I had f

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:20:59 pm M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 2008-12-20 23:16, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > >>> I will try next week to see if I can come up with a smaller, > >>> submittable example. Thanks. > >> > >> These long exit times are usually caused by the garbage collection > >> of objects. Thi

[Python-Dev] Hello everyone + little question around Cpython/stackless

2008-12-22 Thread Pascal Chambon
Hello snakemen and snakewomen I'm Pascal Chambon, a french engineer just leaving my Telecom School, blatantly fond of Python, of its miscellaneous offsprings and of all what's around dynamic languages and high level programming concepts. I'm currently studying all I can find on stackless py

Re: [Python-Dev] [capi-sig] Exceptions with additional instance variables

2008-12-22 Thread chojrak11
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Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Dec 22, 2008, at 4:07 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: What kinds of objects are you storing in your dictionary ? Python instances, strings, integers ? Answered in a previous message: On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Mike Coleman wrote: The dict keys were all uppercase alpha strings of length 7. I do

Re: [Python-Dev] [capi-sig] Exceptions with additional instance variables

2008-12-22 Thread chojrak11
2008/12/22 Guilherme Polo : > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:06 AM, wrote: > > #include "Python.h" > > static PyObject *MyErr; > > static PyMethodDef module_methods[] = { >{"raise_test1", (PyCFunction)raise_test1, METH_NOARGS, NULL}, >{"raise_test2", (PyCFunction)raise_test2, METH_NOA

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> If that code is the real problem (in a reproducible test case), >> then this approach is the only acceptable solution. Disabling >> long-running code is not acceptable. > > By "disabling", I meant disabling the optimization that's trying to > rearrange the arenas so that more memory can be retu

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2008-12-22 19:13, Mike Coleman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:20 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> BTW: Rather than using a huge in-memory dict, I'd suggest to either >> use an on-disk dictionary such as the ones found in mxBeeBase or >> a database. > > I really want this to work in-memory. I h

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Dec 22, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Mike Coleman wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:20 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: BTW: Rather than using a huge in-memory dict, I'd suggest to either use an on-disk dictionary such as the ones found in mxBeeBase or a database. I really want this to work in-memory. I have

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Coleman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:38 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Or perhaps there's a smarter way to manage the list of >> arena/free pool info. > > If that code is the real problem (in a reproducible test case), > then this approach is the only acceptable solution. Disabling > long-running code is no

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Or perhaps there's a smarter way to manage the list of > arena/free pool info. If that code is the real problem (in a reproducible test case), then this approach is the only acceptable solution. Disabling long-running code is not acceptable. Regards, Martin _

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Adam Olsen
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Mike Coleman wrote: > Thanks for all of the useful suggestions. Here are some preliminary results. > > With still gc.disable(), at the end of the program I first did a > gc.collect(), which took about five minutes. (So, reason enough not > to gc.enable(), at lea

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Coleman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:20 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > BTW: Rather than using a huge in-memory dict, I'd suggest to either > use an on-disk dictionary such as the ones found in mxBeeBase or > a database. I really want this to work in-memory. I have 64G RAM, and I'm only trying to use 45G of it

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Coleman
Thanks for all of the useful suggestions. Here are some preliminary results. With still gc.disable(), at the end of the program I first did a gc.collect(), which took about five minutes. (So, reason enough not to gc.enable(), at least without Antoine's patch.) After that, I did a .clear() on th

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2008-12-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 22, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Barry Warsaw python.org> writes: Please make sure these issues are release blockers. Fixes before January 5th would be able to make it into 3.0.1. Should http://bugs.python.org/issue4486 be a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2008-12-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Barry Warsaw python.org> writes: > > Please make sure these issues are release blockers. Fixes before > January 5th would be able to make it into 3.0.1. Should http://bugs.python.org/issue4486 be a release blocker as well? (I don't think so, but...)

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2008-12-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 21, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Thanks. I've bumped that to release blocker for now. If there are any other 'high' bugs that you want considered for 3.0.1, please make the release blockers too, for now.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2008-12-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Do you think we can get 3.0.1 out on December 24th? I won't have physical access to my build machine from December 24th to January 3rd. Okay. Let's just push it until after the new year then.

Re: [Python-Dev] Releasing 2.5.4

2008-12-22 Thread Fred Drake
On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:35 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote: I don't think there is a test case which fails with it applied and passes with it removed. If not, I think it might be worthwhile to write such a test even if it's used temporarily just to test the change. I wrote a trivial test case: If

Re: [Python-Dev] Releasing 2.5.4

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Should we add this to the active branches (2.6, trunk, py3k, 3.0)? Sure! Go ahead. For 2.5.3, I'd rather not add an additional test case, but merely revert the patch. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Releasing 2.5.4

2008-12-22 Thread skip
Martin> It seems r67740 shouldn't have been committed. Since this is a Martin> severe regression, I think I'll have to revert it, and release Martin> 2.5.4 with just that change. Martin> Unless I hear otherwise, I would release Python 2.5.4 (without a Martin> release candidate

Re: [Python-Dev] [capi-sig] Exceptions with additional instance variables

2008-12-22 Thread Guilherme Polo
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Guilherme Polo wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:06 AM, wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:29, Guilherme Polo wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM, wrote: Hello, I'm trying to implement custom exception that have to carry some u

Re: [Python-Dev] [capi-sig] Exceptions with additional instance variables

2008-12-22 Thread Guilherme Polo
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:06 AM, wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:29, Guilherme Polo wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM, wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm trying to implement custom exception that have to carry some >>> useful info by means of instance members, to be used like: >>> >>>

Re: [Python-Dev] extremely slow exit for program having huge (45G) dict (python 2.5.2)

2008-12-22 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2008-12-20 23:16, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >>> I will try next week to see if I can come up with a smaller, >>> submittable example. Thanks. >> These long exit times are usually caused by the garbage collection >> of objects. This can be a very time consuming task. > > I doubt that. The long exi

[Python-Dev] Releasing 2.5.4

2008-12-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
It seems r67740 shouldn't have been committed. Since this is a severe regression, I think I'll have to revert it, and release 2.5.4 with just that change. Unless I hear otherwise, I would release Python 2.5.4 (without a release candidate) tomorrow. Regards, Martin