Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup improvements use-cases

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
Stefan Seefeld writes: > This set of use cases ('C') is what I have most difficulties with. It > clearly is about 'VCS <-> Roundup integration', but it's in the other > direction. And thus, this doesn't seem to concern Roundup itself, or > does it ? Presumably, everything needed already exists

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup improvements use-cases

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
Stefan Seefeld writes: > While in theory [implementing a hook for closing bugs via VCS commit > messages] is all up for customization, I think it would be nice to set > up some conventions to guide users in how to do this (the 'token > grammar', mostly), just for convenience. A reference impleme

Re: [Python-Dev] Serious regression in doctest in Py3.1rc1

2009-06-04 Thread Lisandro Dalcin
http://bugs.python.org/issue6195 (with patch) On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc wrote: > Hello, > > 2009/6/3 Stefan Behnel : >> Hi, >> >> I can't currently file a bug report on this, but I was told by Lisandro >> Dalcín that there is a serious problem with the doctest module in

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread David Bolen
Aahz writes: > It sounds like Wave requires a high-powered browser, similar to Google > Maps. That makes me -1 because I want to continue using Lynx. I'm not sure - I think you can implement your own choices at different points. What's interesting to me so far is less the current UI/flashiness

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Jake McGuire
Google Wave is also still in tightly restricted beta. Gmail went through a long invite-only period. Until we have an idea of how long it will be until basically all python developers who want a Wave account can get one, it doesn't make sense to talk about using it for python development, IMO. -j

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 01:15:16PM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > marked as having new content. At your leisure, you open it (or perhaps > you have marked it 'download updates in background'). That that takes > longer with a slow connection is no different than with other text > streams. If y

Re: [Python-Dev] [Roundup-devel] Roundup improvements use-cases

2009-06-04 Thread Stefan Seefeld
Hi Mario, thanks for sending these use-cases out. Let me give some feedback: Mario wrote: Technical talk: USE CASE A: Integrate issue property editing with Mercurial, including: * USE CASE A1: Allow users to close issues via tokens embedded into commit messages. * USE CASE A2: Allow us

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup improvements use-cases

2009-06-04 Thread VanL
Mario wrote: USE CASE F: Van Lindberg is concerned about code submissions from non-core developers: how can the PSF re-license this code in the future without talking to each contributor, whether the PSF is safe from litigation based on copyrights of these contributions and related questions are

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Ned Deily
In article <20090604173400.gb25...@idyll.org>, "C. Titus Brown" wrote: > Something like MarkMail (as Dirkjan mentioned) may have a better > interface. I'll give it a try. Or http://search.gmane.org/ with group gmane.comp.python.devel -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 05:54:23PM +0200, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: -> > Is there a good python-dev archive search mechanism (other than to -> > google "python-dev " ;) out there? Wouldn't that help? -> -> I would add site:mail.python.org into the google query, but apart from -> that: what's wrong

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Terry Reedy
Martin v. Löwis wrote: In addition, you can fairly easily create a saved query to show you all the open tickets that you are on the nosy list for. (Although I created and saved my query for that so long ago that I don't recall the exact details on how to go about doing that). It's fairly easy.

[Python-Dev] Roundup improvements use-cases

2009-06-04 Thread Mario
Hello, in the last few weeks I have been working on defining use-cases which will lead the improvement of the Roundup tracker. As this is very important, I would like your valuable input in form of comments, criticism and advices. Use-cases in-lined: == Daniel is a great hacker, but t

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Terry Reedy
Ben Finney wrote: Terry Reedy writes: Ben Finney wrote: I watched [the Google Wave presentation] too. It appears to be heavily reliant on *very* fast internet access for participants in a wave. That's far from universal in the Python community, let alone the internet at large. Even a slow co

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> In addition, you can fairly easily create a saved query to show you all > the open tickets that you are on the nosy list for. (Although I created > and saved my query for that so long ago that I don't recall the exact > details on how to go about doing that). It's fairly easy. Start a search, pu

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > Alternatively, one could create a python-dev profile on roundup and > encourage people to add python-dev to the nosy list when discussion > needs to be broaden. This way replies to all will be posted in both > places. Once discussion gets too specialized, someone can

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Is there a good python-dev archive search mechanism (other than to > google "python-dev " ;) out there? Wouldn't that help? I would add site:mail.python.org into the google query, but apart from that: what's wrong with google search? Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:08 PM, C. Titus Brown wrote: > In my experience this kind automated stuff is too fragile to work > reliably & specifically over time, which is what we would want -- "fire > and forget". You could a python-dev account in the tracker and allow people to nosy it. > Is there

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Is there a document which lists these things, and explains how it is > desirable to communicate them? I recently updated Twisted's equivalent > document, adding minutae like which buttons to click on in our issue > tracker, since that seems obvious to me but apparently wasn't obvious to > a lot

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:03:22AM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: -> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Paul Moore wrote: -> ... -> > I could still argue that there are downsides (need to take action to -> > set myself as nosy on an issue, possibly setting up a new mail filter, -> > housekeeping

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
Alternatively, one could create a python-dev profile on roundup and encourage people to add python-dev to the nosy list when discussion needs to be broaden. This way replies to all will be posted in both places. Once discussion gets too specialized, someone can remove python-dev from the "nosies."

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial, linefeeds, and Visual Studio

2009-06-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > Silly question, but given that Mercurial itself does *no* conversion, > and CRLF is the only valid form for that file, why shouldn't the file > be checked into the repository with CRLF endings, and that's the end > of it (apart from misconfigured

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Paul Moore wrote: ... > I could still argue that there are downsides (need to take action to > set myself as nosy on an issue, possibly setting up a new mail filter, > housekeeping cruft, the fact that people don't quote in the same way > on tracker items) that make

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial, linefeeds, and Visual Studio

2009-06-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 03:20:56PM +0100, Paul Moore wrote: > Essentially, pcbuild.sln is a binary file, and should be treated as > such. Maybe it's an error in the Subversion setup that it's treated as > text at all... Subversion has a built-in notion of eol-conversion (don't know if it was us

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial, linefeeds, and Visual Studio

2009-06-04 Thread Paul Moore
2009/6/4 Dirkjan Ochtman : > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jason R. Coombs wrote: >> I wanted to share this with the community in case anyone else runs into this >> issue.  Also, if there's a recommended procedure for addressing this issue >> (and others that might arise due to non-native line

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial and linefeeds

2009-06-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:49 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > The above statement seems like a really odd design choice, with the > potential for causing considerable developer coordination headaches. > > Any Mercurial boffins want to talk about how this works in practice? I'm guessing that's just bec

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial and linefeeds

2009-06-04 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 at 17:30, Oleg Broytmann wrote: On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:02:53AM -0400, Jason R. Coombs wrote: It seems that within the hg repository, everything has been converted to LF for line endings. I suspect this is because HG provides no integrated support for line-ending convers

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial, linefeeds, and Visual Studio

2009-06-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jason R. Coombs wrote: > I wanted to share this with the community in case anyone else runs into this > issue.  Also, if there's a recommended procedure for addressing this issue > (and others that might arise due to non-native line endings), I'd be > interested

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial and linefeeds

2009-06-04 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:02:53AM -0400, Jason R. Coombs wrote: > It seems that within the hg repository, everything has been converted to LF > for line endings. I suspect this is because HG provides no integrated > support for line-ending conversions and because the hg to svn bridge is > prob

[Python-Dev] Mercurial, linefeeds, and Visual Studio

2009-06-04 Thread Jason R. Coombs
I just wanted to share my experience with the mercurial checkout. I cloned http://code.python.org/hg/branches/py3k to continue work on http://bugs.python.org/issue1578269 but I found that when I click on PC/VS8.0/pcbuild.sln, nothing happens. This appears to be due to a bug/limitation in vslau

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Aahz
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009, Terry Reedy wrote: > > Example: if PEPs were waves, then responses could either be entered as > live edits (with permission) or comments immediately following the > relevant text (as with email/newsgroups) visible to all. Much easier > than current situation. Edits are

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Paul Moore
2009/6/4 Nick Coghlan : > Paul Moore wrote: >> Mostly, I agree, but I definitely disagree, I'm afraid, on the use of >> the tracker for discussions. To keep track of discussions on a ticket, >> I have to personally keep a list of the tickets I'm interested in, >> check back regularly to see if ther

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
Paul Moore wrote: > Mostly, I agree, but I definitely disagree, I'm afraid, on the use of > the tracker for discussions. To keep track of discussions on a ticket, > I have to personally keep a list of the tickets I'm interested in, > check back regularly to see if there's anything new, and keep a m

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > Terry Reedy writes: > > Even a slow connection would make participation in PEPs better than > > today. > > How can you know that? A slow link doesn't punish email or NNTP > communication the way an interactive web application does. Strike that; reverse it. Should be “A slo

Re: [Python-Dev] Google Wave as a developer communication tool

2009-06-04 Thread Ben Finney
Terry Reedy writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > I watched [the Google Wave presentation] too. It appears to be > > heavily reliant on *very* fast internet access for participants in a > > wave. That's far from universal in the Python community, let alone > > the internet at large. > > Even a slow co

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

2009-06-04 Thread Terry Reedy
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Antoine Pitrou writes: > Terry Reedy udel.edu> writes: > > > > I watched and was greatly impressed by the video demo of Google's new > > Wave collaborative communication system. I believe it would/will help > > with some of the chronic problems we (and others)