Glyph Lefkowitz:
> Sounds like this is moving into hypothetical territory better-suited to
> python-ideas. (Although I'm sure that if you wanted to contribute polished,
> tested code for a standard remote debugger interface, few people would
> complain.)
There is a remote debugger protocol ca
David Lyon writes:
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:25:27 +1000, Ben Finney
> > You omit the important part: adding a new thing to Python *so long
> > as it doesn't depend on anything outside Python*.
>
> I'm signing out on this silly discussion for now
>
> Any python program is dependant on thing
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Edward Peschko wrote:
> There should be a standard mechanism for debuggers to talk to a python
> process; not one-offs for each debugger, probably at the level of the
> python executable (the same way that gcc lets gdb attach with a pid..
>
Sounds like this is m
David Lyon writes:
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:08:32 +0100, Paul Moore wrote:
> > I read this as meaning that David was proposing to ship a built
> > application (on Windows, bundled up with something like py2exe, I
> > guess) and any supporting DLLs such as the wxWindows ones would be
> > bundl
Issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue1424152 mentions about HTTPS
Support via proxy in urllib2.
This is fixed in the trunk (Revision 72880), but there has been number
of valid requests to backport it Python 2.6. While I agree and ready
to backport to Python 2.6, I would like to ask here if there a
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:25:27 +1000, Ben Finney
> You omit the important part: adding a new thing to Python *so long as it
> doesn't depend on anything outside Python*.
I'm signing out on this silly discussion for now
Any python program is dependant on things "outside" python. For
example an
> Winpdb is *exactly* what you asked for, so if it's not what you're looking
> for you'll need to be more specific about what you want that it doesn't
> do...
>
> James
>
Fair enough, I was assuming that winpdb didn't have a command line interface,
but I was mistaken (rpdb2).
In any case, I would
Ben Finney writes:
> The functionality you often discuss around this tool would be best
> implemented independently of any UI. It would, in fact, be best to
> work with the team performing ongoing active standardisation of
> distutils functionality.
Sloppy use of “in fact”. That should be “in my
At 08:09 PM 7/24/2009 -0400, David Lyon wrote:
Presently it used pkg_resources to read the list of packages installed
which is part of setuptools. I was told it was the "right" and only way
to read a list of packages.
"Right" is relative, but right now it is certainly the *only* way to
read a
David Lyon writes:
> Not at all. In source form the pythonpkgmgr requires wx package. In
> executable form it does not.
The only way it could be added is in source form; that's essential for
free software like Python. So, if it's not suitable for adding to Python
in source form, it's not suitabl
Jean-Paul Calderone writes:
> Hm. But docutils isn't part of the standard library, and the
> documentation refers to it.
Fair enough, because the documentation is generated using Docutils.
> And the docs link to ActivePython and Enthought's Python distribution.
I consider those to be exception
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:40:52 +1000, Ben Finney
wrote:
> I interpret this as expressing your intent to (eventually) have your
> application included in standard Python.
It's my intention to get a Package Manager included in standard
python - yes.
>> I wasn't suggesting including it in the standar
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:40:52 +1000, Ben Finney
wrote:
[snip]
If that is not your intent, then your application shouldn't be mentioned
in standard Python documentation.
Hm. But docutils isn't part of the standard library, and the documentation
refers to it. And the docs link to ActivePytho
david.l...@preisshare.net writes:
> Distutils was once seperate and was then included in the standard
> python.
>
> So i guess that I am working with the same goal in mind.
I interpret this as expressing your intent to (eventually) have your
application included in standard Python.
David Lyon
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:23:57 +0200, Christian Heimes
wrote:
> I'm sorry to inform you that a wxWindows based solution has zero change
> to get into the Python standard library ever.
Is that a personal preference or is there a software engineering reason
for this?
I wasn't suggesting including i
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:08:32 +0100, Paul Moore wrote:
> I read this as meaning that David was proposing to ship a built
> application (on Windows, bundled up with something like py2exe, I
> guess) and any supporting DLLs such as the wxWindows ones would be
> bundled in, but the wxPython package wo
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:54:09 +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
> David Lyon schrieb:
>> In executable form, the Package Manager does not require wxWidgets
>> to be installed.
>>
>> There is no dependency for this to be installed.
>
> What does "in exectuable form" mean?
Compiled with py2exe.
An execu
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:47, Sridhar Ratnakumar
wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:11:38 -0700, Jesse Noller
> wrote:
>
> Then why not include pip, easy_install, and this bash script I use to
>> install packages into core? The more the merrier, right?
>> Answer: None of these are standards, and a
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:13, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Brett Cannon python.org> writes:
> > > Oh, I don't know. All this new-fangled technology... Can't you just
> > > leave it in your workspace, unsubmitted, until you get to fixing it?
> >
> > Oh sure, I normally just leave it in my scratch svn
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:11:38 -0700, Jesse Noller wrote:
Then why not include pip, easy_install, and this bash script I use to
install packages into core? The more the merrier, right?
Answer: None of these are standards, and as nick points out, there's
issues with sysadmins, security, and other
Brett Cannon python.org> writes:
> > Oh, I don't know. All this new-fangled technology... Can't you just
> > leave it in your workspace, unsubmitted, until you get to fixing it?
>
> Oh sure, I normally just leave it in my scratch svn checkout until I get
around to it.
What? You're not even usin
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:58, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:39, Guido van Rossum
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Still works, at least in some old 3.1 I had lying around:
> >>
> >> $ python3.1
> >> Python 3.1a0 (py3k:70
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:39, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>
>> Still works, at least in some old 3.1 I had lying around:
>>
>> $ python3.1
>> Python 3.1a0 (py3k:70152, Mar 3 2009, 16:55:42)
>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:39, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Still works, at least in some old 3.1 I had lying around:
>
Which reminds me, do we want to change the error message for ImportError in
this case to say something like "import of {0} halted; None found in
sys.modules"? Might be a tough exc
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:39, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Still works, at least in some old 3.1 I had lying around:
>
> $ python3.1
> Python 3.1a0 (py3k:70152, Mar 3 2009, 16:55:42)
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more informa
Still works, at least in some old 3.1 I had lying around:
$ python3.1
Python 3.1a0 (py3k:70152, Mar 3 2009, 16:55:42)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import sys
>>> sys.modules['string'] = None
>>> import str
2009/7/24 Georg Brandl :
> David Lyon schrieb:
>> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:23:57 +0200, Christian Heimes
>> wrote:
>>> I'm sorry to inform you that a wxWindows based solution has zero change
>>> to get into the Python standard library ever. We are not going to add
>>> another GUI toolkit to the core
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David Lyon schrieb:
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:23:57 +0200, Christian Heimes
> wrote:
>> I'm sorry to inform you that a wxWindows based solution has zero change
>> to get into the Python standard library ever. We are not going to add
>> another GUI toolkit to the core distribution.
>
> In executab
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009, Edward Peschko wrote:
>
> I'I was wondering if there was a command line python debugger that was
> able to attach to an existing process. I'd very much like to be able
> to debug over a ssh session using screen.
python-dev is not the correct place to ask about this, please u
On Jul 24, 2009, at 1:31 AM, Edward Peschko wrote:
all,
I'I was wondering if there was a command line python debugger that was
able to attach to an existing process. I'd very much like to be able
to debug over a ssh session using screen.
Ed
(ps - and yes, I know about winpdb, etc... that is
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009, Sean Reifschneider wrote:
>
> Thoughts?
Please file a report at bugs.python.org to make sure it doesn't get lost.
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Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Antoine Pitrou pitrou.net> writes:
Roumen Petrov roumenpetrov.info> writes:
Antoine Pitrou wrote:
In 32-bit mode, no. But under x86-64 Linux, a long double is 16 bytes (!!).
And alignment is ?
16 bytes as well.
This is probably why, by the way, a PyGC_Head takes onl
Antoine Pitrou pitrou.net> writes:
>
> Roumen Petrov roumenpetrov.info> writes:
> >
> > Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> > >
> > > In 32-bit mode, no. But under x86-64 Linux, a long double is 16 bytes
> > > (!!).
> >
> > And alignment is ?
>
> 16 bytes as well.
This is probably why, by the way, a P
Roumen Petrov roumenpetrov.info> writes:
>
> Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> >
> > In 32-bit mode, no. But under x86-64 Linux, a long double is 16 bytes (!!).
>
> And alignment is ?
16 bytes as well.
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Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Christian Tismer stackless.com> writes:
Well, I doubt that a 12 byte long double causes any other
alignment but 4.
In 32-bit mode, no. But under x86-64 Linux, a long double is 16 bytes (!!).
And alignment is ?
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Christian Tismer wrote:
Hi all,
I was hacking to get mingw32 builds of psyco to work
and found a pretty weird thing:
I used mingw32 (stable distro) to build the psyco extension
on top of standard python2.6, built with Visual Studio,
and got weird crashes.
The reason is in objimpl.h:
typedef u
Done, it's at:
http://bugs.python.org/issue6560
Kalman Gergely
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2009, K?lm?n Gergely wrote:
This is the rewritten-from-scratch implementation of the
sendmsg()/recvmsg() methods. Any comments / suggestions / flames are
very welcome. Currently it supports what I
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