Nick Coghlan, 25.07.2010 08:29:
We knew PEP 380 would be hurt by the moratorium when the moratorium
PEP went through.
The goals of the moratorium itself, in making it possible to have a
3.2 release that is fully supported by all of the major Python
implementations, still apply, and I believe mak
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:04:57 am Steve Holden wrote:
>> > - After seeing Raymond's talk about monocle (search for it on PyPI)
>> > I am getting excited again about PEP 380 (yield from, return values
>> > from generators). Having read the PEP
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:59:14 +0200
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To: Barry Warsaw
Cc: Ronald Oussoren,python-dev@python.org
Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] versioned .so files for Python 3.2
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Barry Warsaw writes:
> On Jul
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:04:57 am Steve Holden wrote:
>> > - After seeing Raymond's talk about monocle (search for it on PyPI)
>> > I am getting excited again about PEP 380 (yield from, return values
>> > from generators). Having read the PEP
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:04:57 am Steve Holden wrote:
> > - After seeing Raymond's talk about monocle (search for it on PyPI)
> > I am getting excited again about PEP 380 (yield from, return values
> > from generators). Having read the PEP on the plane back home I
> > didn't see anything wrong with i
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> What I find very helpful in these cases is to put all my vitriol into
> the rant, bask in it, and then *delete it unsent*. That way, I'm not
> spreading the bad emotion any further than my desk, and it truly is
> cathartic so I can sleep soundl
At 08:21 PM 7/24/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
FWIW, the thing that was harder to debug when I tried to write some
code involving generators and a trampoline recently, was thinking of a
function as a generator without actually putting a yield in it
(because a particular version of a corouti
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> ..
>> For the "-b" option, if the server is already running (and hence the
>> port is in use), catch the exception, print a message and start the
>> webbrowser anyway.
>
> I was g
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Ron Adam wrote:
>
>
> On 07/24/2010 05:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Ron Adam wrote:
I am not sure I like the fact that the browser is started automatically.
Please bring this up on python-dev. This may be an op
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Alexander Belopolsky
> wrote:
>> There must be a good reason why traditional software development tools
>> such as debugger, profiler and coverage are mostly neglected in
>> python.
>
> Most such tools are
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:51 PM, P.J. Eby wrote:
> At 07:08 AM 7/24/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>
>> - After seeing Raymond's talk about monocle (search for it on PyPI) I
>> am getting excited again about PEP 380 (yield from, return values from
>> generators). Having read the PEP on the p
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
wrote:
> I would like to use this opportunity to merge settrace and setprofile
> tests. Here is the proposal:
>
> Step 1: Rename test_trace to test_sys_settrace and test_profilehooks
> to test_sys_setprofile.
> Step 2: Create tracetester helpe
At 07:08 AM 7/24/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote:
- After seeing Raymond's talk about monocle (search for it on PyPI) I
am getting excited again about PEP 380 (yield from, return values from
generators). Having read the PEP on the plane back home I didn't see
anything wrong with it, so it coul
Mark Lawrence writes:
> I admit that when I sent this off last night, I felt rather better
> after for having let off a bit of steam.
[…]
> Nobody has been at all really negative. I think that this is a
> tremendous way of saying what a wonderful community Python is, long
> may it be that way. So
On 7/24/2010 3:08 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> While the EuroPython sprints are still going on, I am back home, and
> after a somewhat restful night of sleep, I have some thoughts I'd like
> to share before I get distracted. Note, I am jumping wildly between
> topics.
>
> - Commit privileges: May
On 23/07/2010 23:26, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Is there any money to pay for the forthcoming 10th birthday party for
this issue? Is the OP still alive?
Kindest regards.
Mark Lawrence.
Hi all,
I admit that when I sent this off last night, I felt rather better after
for having let off a bit of st
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 7/24/2010 10:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
>> - Commit privileges: Maybe we've been too careful with only giving
>> commit privileges to to experienced and trusted new developers. I
>> spoke to Ezio Melotti and from his experience with ge
On 07/24/2010 04:29 PM, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Ron Adam wrote:
On 07/24/2010 05:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
..
- leave the "-g" option alone (including the tk gui), but make sure
other options still work when tk is unavailable
I was hoping it would b
Barry Warsaw writes:
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 01:46 PM, sch...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>Doesn't anybody else think this is lost work for very little gain? My
>>/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages directory consumes 200MB on disk. I
>>couldn't care less if my /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages consumed the
>>
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Ron Adam wrote:
>
>
> On 07/24/2010 05:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
..
>> - leave the "-g" option alone (including the tk gui), but make sure
>> other options still work when tk is unavailable
>
> I was hoping it would be ok to drop the tk gui in pydoc. Keeping it
>
On 7/24/2010 10:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
- Commit privileges: Maybe we've been too careful with only giving
commit privileges to to experienced and trusted new developers. I
spoke to Ezio Melotti and from his experience with getting commit
privileges, it seems to be a case of "the lion is
On 07/24/2010 05:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Ron Adam wrote:
I am not sure I like the fact that the browser is started automatically.
Please bring this up on python-dev. This may be an opportunity to
rethink pydoc command line switches. For example, -p and -
On 07/24/2010 10:16 AM, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
..
For the "-b" option, if the server is already running (and hence the
port is in use), catch the exception, print a message and start the
webbrowser anyway.
I was going to make a simil
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Alexander Belopolsky
wrote:
> There must be a good reason why traditional software development tools
> such as debugger, profiler and coverage are mostly neglected in
> python.
Most such tools are probably better developed outside the standard
library. There are m
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
> wrote:
>> I see three solutions:
>>
>> 1. Minimal: do not rename test_trace in 2.7 and add trace module
>> tests to the existing file. Whether to revert test_trace to
>> test_line_tra
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
..
> For the "-b" option, if the server is already running (and hence the
> port is in use), catch the exception, print a message and start the
> webbrowser anyway.
I was going to make a similar suggestion, but then realized that there
it may n
While the EuroPython sprints are still going on, I am back home, and
after a somewhat restful night of sleep, I have some thoughts I'd like
to share before I get distracted. Note, I am jumping wildly between
topics.
- Commit privileges: Maybe we've been too careful with only giving
commit privileg
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Ron Adam wrote:
>> I am not sure I like the fact that the browser is started automatically.
>> Please bring this up on python-dev. This may be an opportunity to
>> rethink pydoc command line switches. For example, -p and -g are
>> currently exclusive, but it wou
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> 2010/7/23 Alexander Belopolsky :
>> Thanks, everyone who followed up here and on the tracker. I am
>> readying the patch for check in, but as I look back through the
>> messages, I don't really see anyone's answer to the question in the
On 23 Jul, 2010, at 23:19, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>
I'd be open to adding the
platform name to the tag, but I'd probably define it as part of the
implementation field, e.g.
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