Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

2010-08-13 Thread Zooko O'Whielacronx
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > There have certainly been demonstrations that Python can be compiled > with mingw, but as far as I am aware what's  missing is a developer > sufficiently motivated to integrate that build system into the > distributions and maintain it. It loo

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r83992 - in python/branches/release26-maint: Lib/distutils/command/sdist.py Lib/distutils/tests/test_sdist.py Misc/NEWS

2010-08-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 14, 2010, at 04:07 AM, eric.araujo wrote: >Author: eric.araujo >Date: Sat Aug 14 04:07:26 2010 >New Revision: 83992 > >Log: >Revert regression from r81256 (with release manager approval, see >#8688) This was a regression in 2.6.6rc1 and I'm grateful to Eric for reverting it. While I trust

[Python-Dev] i18n

2010-08-13 Thread Alcino Dall'Igna Jr
Dear developers: I'm starting a project that aims at first to internationalize the python interpreter, so it could be localized. I want to know if this could be considered for the main trunk of python. As a second phase I intend to internationalize the language itself so it could be localized and

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

2010-08-13 Thread Sturla Molden
>> Enthought (32-bit) ships with a mingw gcc compiler configured to build >> extensions. > > Hmm. Including a gcc seems like a lot of overhead, not at least for the > need to provide sources as well. A lighter solution would be to include an importlib for the correct CRT as well as for Python, an

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

2010-08-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 13.08.2010 20:45, schrieb Sturla Molden: > >> The problem really is that when people ask for MingW support, they mean >> all kinds of things, > > Usually it means they want to build C or C++ extensions, don't have Visual > Studio, don't know about the SDK compiler, and have misunderstood the C

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread Tim Golden
On 13/08/2010 10:02 PM, Michael Foord wrote: On 13/08/2010 06:39, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Michael Foord writes: > How is ~/python not memorable or consistent? (And cross-platform > memorability and consistency is valuable too.) But what does "~" mean on Windows? There is a "user

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread Michael Foord
On 13/08/2010 06:39, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Michael Foord writes: > How is ~/python not memorable or consistent? (And cross-platform > memorability and consistency is valuable too.) But what does "~" mean on Windows? There is a "user directory" in Windows directly analagous to ~, and

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread Fred Drake
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:21 PM, John Arbash Meinel wrote: > I don't know what the specific issue is here, but adding entries to > sys.path makes startup time *significantly* slower. > > I happen to use easy_install since Windows doesn't have its own package > manager. Unfortunately the default of

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.6 status

2010-08-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi folks, I'm liking where we're at for Python 2.6.6. We have no release blocker issues open, and the buildbots look about as green as they get. I've accounted for all the commits since 2.6.6rc1 and I think barring any last minute issues, that we're on schedule for 2.6.6 final for this Monday, A

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread John Arbash Meinel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ... > * that said, Windows seems much slower than Linux on equivalent >hardware, perhaps attempting to open files is intrinsically more >expensive there? Certainly it's not safe to assume conclusions drawn >on Linux will apply equally we

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

2010-08-13 Thread Sturla Molden
"Cesare Di Mauro": > I like to use Windows because it's a comfortable and productive > environment, > certainly not because someone forced me to use it. > > Also, I have limited time, so I want to spend it the better I can, > focusing > on solving real problems. Setup, Next, Next, Finish, and I wa

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

2010-08-13 Thread Sturla Molden
> The problem really is that when people ask for MingW support, they mean > all kinds of things, Usually it means they want to build C or C++ extensions, don't have Visual Studio, don't know about the SDK compiler, and have misunderstood the CRT problem. As long at Python builds with the free Wi

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:57:57 -0400 Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Aug 12, 2010, at 09:10 AM, Fred Drake wrote: > > >Perhaps user configuration belongs in ~/.local/, or ~/.local/python/ > >(with attendant Windows & Mac OS noises); I don't really care where it > >lands, because right now we just have a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread Fred Drake
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I've missed most of this discussion while on vacation, but if ~/.local is > supposed to mirror /usr/local, then wouldn't a logical place for per-user > configuration files be ~/.local/etc/whatever.cfg? Maybe it is; I'd hope so. The fd.o spe

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed tweaks to functools.wraps

2010-08-13 Thread Eric Snow
True. It is tricky. However, not as tricky as finding the decorated function after the fact (unless I am missing something). But maybe that is a fringe need (finding the original function). -eric -Original Message- From: Nick Coghlan [mailto:ncogh...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 12, 2010, at 09:10 AM, Fred Drake wrote: >Perhaps user configuration belongs in ~/.local/, or ~/.local/python/ >(with attendant Windows & Mac OS noises); I don't really care where it >lands, because right now we just have a mess. Getting it "right" with >respect to Window's "roaming" notio

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-08-13 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2010-08-06 - 2010-08-13) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues stats: open2645 (+42) closed 18724 (+83) total 21369 (+51) Open issues with patches: 1

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed tweaks to functools.wraps

2010-08-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Eric Snow wrote: > Actually, what is the problem with having all decorators add a __decorated__ > to the function that ultimately gets returned, pointing to the function they > decorated?  I guess I never saw that discussion.  Perhaps set it to None when > the d

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed tweaks to functools.wraps

2010-08-13 Thread Eric Snow
Actually, what is the problem with having all decorators add a __decorated__ to the function that ultimately gets returned, pointing to the function they decorated? I guess I never saw that discussion. Perhaps set it to None when the decorator is the same as the decorated (no wrapping involved

Re: [Python-Dev] Fixing #7175: a standard location for Python config files

2010-08-13 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > 2010/8/12 Éric Araujo : >>> Choosing an arbitrary location we think is good on every system is fine >>> and non risky I think, as long as Python let the various distribution >>> change those paths though configuration. >> >> Don’t you have a

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

2010-08-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> The question is "who will support those folks?" I don't see any > reason why you or Martin should support MSYS/mingw if you don't want > to, but please don't put down the folks who ask for it. Just say "no, > it's not worth it". Or maybe, "if you want to do the work, I might > contribute some

Re: [Python-Dev] mingw support?

2010-08-13 Thread Cesare Di Mauro
2010/8/13 Greg Ewing > Cesare Di Mauro wrote: > > You must suggest at least an equivalent "free" alternative to make the >> switch convenient. >> >> Otherwise we are talking about philosophy or religion, and nobody will >> change his ideas. >> > > I think the point is that *because* people don'