Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Atsuo Ishimoto
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Simon Cross hodgestar+python...@gmail.com wrote: I'm changing my vote on this to a +1 for two reasons: *

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Atsuo Ishimoto
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: These all sound like good reasons to continue to *advise* against using non-ASCII module names. But aside from that, they sound exactly like a lot of the arguments we heard when Py3k started enforcing the bytes/text

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nick Coghlan writes: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Atsuo Ishimoto ishim...@gembook.org wrote: I don't want Python to encourage people to use non-ascii module names. I don't think anybody is *encouraging* it. The argument is for *permitting* it, partly for consistency with other

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I don't want Python to encourage people to use non-ascii module names. I don't think the feature is open for debate anymore. PEP 3131 has been accepted (after *long* debates), and I'll pronounce that supporting non-ASCII module names is a direct consequence of having it accepted. Of course,

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Atsuo Ishimoto writes: Java, a leading language of IT industry, have already support non-ASCII class files for years. But I've never seen such files in production in Japan, and didn't improve situation until now. So why wouldn't Python work the same way? The rest of the world can use

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:25:17 -0500 James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:27:08 -0500 Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: To support the latter, could we just make sure that zipimport has a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87815 - peps/trunk/pep-3333.txt

2011-01-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:16:36 -0500 James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Ezio Melotti wrote: Modified: peps/trunk/pep-.txt == --- peps/trunk/pep-.txt (original) +++

Re: [Python-Dev] Mail archive line wrapping (Was: Import and unicode: part two)

2011-01-21 Thread James Y Knight
On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:25:17 -0500 James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote: On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: (by the way, it would be nice if your text/mail editor wrapped lines at 80 characters or something) You could

Re: [Python-Dev] Mail archive line wrapping (Was: Import and unicode: part two)

2011-01-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:23:31 -0500 James Y Knight f...@fuhm.net wrote: I think most mail readers are able to word-wrap raw text correctly (even though it still makes your messages look bad amongst a thread of nicely-formatted 80-column messages). The real annoyance is when reading Web

Re: [Python-Dev] Mail archive line wrapping (Was: Import and unicode: part two)

2011-01-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jan 21, 2011, at 08:23 AM, James Y Knight wrote: Well, yes, that's a pretty annoying bug in mailman, isn't it? If only anyone around here was involved in mailman and could fix it! :) [I've attempted to cc this to mailman-users with this message, but since I'm not subscribed I dunno if it'll

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Atsuo Ishimoto
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Nick Coghlan writes:   On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Atsuo Ishimoto ishim...@gembook.org wrote:   I don't want Python to encourage people to use non-ascii module names. I don't think anybody is *encouraging*

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2011-01-21 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2011-01-14 - 2011-01-21) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open2527 (+29) closed 20228 (+36) total 22755 (+65) Open issues

[Python-Dev] Import and unicode: patch is ready for a review and tests

2011-01-21 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, It looks like some people fear that non-ASCII module names will cause troubles for the interoperability: you can try my patch attached to issue #3080 to prevent these issues and fix all bugs :-) http://bugs.python.org/issue3080 I should maybe create a dummy Python project using non-ASCII

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Copy over the dev FAQ and *only* strip out stuff covered elsewhere in the

2011-01-21 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 16:58, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:42 AM, brett.cannon python-check...@python.org wrote: brett.cannon pushed 82d3a1b694b3 to devguide: http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/82d3a1b694b3 changeset:   167:82d3a1b694b3 user:        Brett

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Move Misc/README.Emacs to here.

2011-01-21 Thread Brett Cannon
It's the Emacs lovers who put that stuff in all of their files, so I ain't touching it. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 13:06, Sandro Tosi sandro.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 20:33, brett.cannon python-check...@python.org wrote: +.. +   Local Variables: +   mode:

Re: [Python-Dev] Import and unicode: part two

2011-01-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I don't think anybody is *encouraging* it. The argument is for *permitting* it, partly for consistency with other identifiers, and partly because of Python's usual consenting adults standard for permitting dangerous practices. I'm sorry, I was not clear. I was afraid that saying learning

[Python-Dev] Triagers and checkin access to the devguide repository

2011-01-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
Given that some of the dev guide docs cover triaging and other aspects of managing issues on the tracker, does it make sense to offer devguide checkin access to triagers that want it? Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan   |   ncogh...@gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia