Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 11:45:47PM +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> hg log -k "contributor name" >> >> Also, memory helps although it's quite perfectible :) >> >> At worse, we'll have a couple of false positives and we'll have to >> apologize

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 11:45:47PM +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > hg log -k "contributor name" > > Also, memory helps although it's quite perfectible :) > > At worse, we'll have a couple of false positives and we'll have to > apologize to them... There are about 948 folks in the Misc/ACKS and ma

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Westley Martínez
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 22:24 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Hello, > > In > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, > I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of past > contributors, as in: > > First, we did a survey of all our past d

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Antoine Pitrou writes: > >  > Following the example given in the original article, I was considering >  > a single freeform question: "why did you stop contributing after your >  > last patch to CPython?" (of course, that text should be

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Antoine Pitrou writes: > Following the example given in the original article, I was considering > a single freeform question: "why did you stop contributing after your > last patch to CPython?" (of course, that text should be decorated with > a greeting and an introduction and the wording can

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Ron Adam
On 03/01/2011 01:22 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: On 01.03.2011 16:05, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:52:58 +0200 Eli Bendersky wrote: The PEP (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/) says in "Timeline": 2010-03-05: final conversion (tentative) I assume 2011-03-05 is meant here.

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 01:14:32AM +0100, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > I think a PEP would help, but in this case I would request that before > > the PEP gets written (it can be a really short one!) somebody actually > > go out and get consensus from a number of important distros. Besides > > Barry

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:45:51 +0100 "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > >> I believe we agreed at the language summit last year (or maybe even the > >> year before) that "python" would always be python2.x, and "python3" > >> would be python3.x. > >> > >> And by "always" we indeed meant forever. To do othe

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I think a PEP would help, but in this case I would request that before > the PEP gets written (it can be a really short one!) somebody actually > go out and get consensus from a number of important distros. Besides > Barry, do we have any representatives of distros here? Matthias Klose represent

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Allan McRae
On 02/03/11 08:06, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On 3/1/2011 4:19 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote: Hello, There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the documentation to rec

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> I believe we agreed at the language summit last year (or maybe even the >>> year before) that "python" would always be python2.x, and "python3" >>> would be python3.x. >>> >>> And by "always" we indeed meant forever. To do otherwise woul

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> I believe we agreed at the language summit last year (or maybe even the >> year before) that "python" would always be python2.x, and "python3" >> would be python3.x. >> >> And by "always" we indeed meant forever. To do otherwise would break >> scripts even many, many years from now. > > It s

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 02.03.2011 00:16, schrieb Kerrick Staley: > I think that it's a good idea to not only state that python should be > Python 2, but also that python2 should be implemented and that scripts > should specify it, to provide redundancy and handle distros that won't > or have not yet switched back to t

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Kerrick Staley
I think that it's a good idea to not only state that python should be Python 2, but also that python2 should be implemented and that scripts should specify it, to provide redundancy and handle distros that won't or have not yet switched back to the python -> python2 convention. I've . In any event,

Re: [Python-Dev] devinabox: Add a Python script which will run the test suite in the most rigorous way

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:05:25 -0600 s...@pobox.com wrote: > > Antoine> Well, "make buildbottest" should do the trick. > > Perhaps it should be given a somewhat less specialized sounding name... It *is* specialized since it's meant primarily for the buildbots :) It happens to be usable by anyon

Re: [Python-Dev] devinabox: Add a Python script which will run the test suite in the most rigorous way

2011-03-01 Thread skip
Antoine> Well, "make buildbottest" should do the trick. Perhaps it should be given a somewhat less specialized sounding name... Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] devinabox: Add a Python script which will run the test suite in the most rigorous way

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:49:42 -0600 s...@pobox.com wrote: > > Antoine> We already have "make test" and "make buildbottest" in addition > Antoine> to "./python -m test". I think another subtly different way of > Antoine> running the tests would be a nuisance. > > I see nothing wrong with

Re: [Python-Dev] devinabox: Add a Python script which will run the test suite in the most rigorous way

2011-03-01 Thread skip
Antoine> We already have "make test" and "make buildbottest" in addition Antoine> to "./python -m test". I think another subtly different way of Antoine> running the tests would be a nuisance. I see nothing wrong with "make rigoroustest" or "make brutaltest". I routinely use "make te

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le mardi 01 mars 2011 à 16:41 -0600, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : > 2011/3/1 Antoine Pitrou : > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:23:42 -0600 > > Benjamin Peterson wrote: > >> 2011/3/1 Antoine Pitrou : > >> > > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > In > >> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-Februa

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2011/3/1 Antoine Pitrou : > On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:23:42 -0600 > Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> 2011/3/1 Antoine Pitrou : >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > In >> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, >> > I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of p

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:23:42 -0600 Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2011/3/1 Antoine Pitrou : > > > > Hello, > > > > In > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, > > I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of past > > contributors, as in: > > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:12:14 -0500 Jesse Noller wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > In > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, > > I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of past > > cont

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2011/3/1 Antoine Pitrou : > > Hello, > > In > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, > I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of past > contributors, as in: > >        First, we did a survey of all our past developers who had left >        

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:26:05 -0500, Eric Smith wrote: > On 3/1/2011 4:19 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote: > > Hello, > > There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at > > /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the > > documentation to recommend that packagers ensu

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread James Y Knight
On Mar 1, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Eric Smith wrote: >> On 3/1/2011 4:19 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at >>> /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or

Re: [Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Jesse Noller
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hello, > > In > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, > I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of past > contributors, as in: > >        First, we did a survey of all our past deve

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > On 3/1/2011 4:19 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote: >> >> Hello, >> There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at >> /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the >> documentation to recommend that packagers ensure th

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2011-03-01 22:50:34 Kerrick Staley napisał(a): > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > > On 3/1/2011 4:19 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote: > >> Hello, > >> There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at > >> /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Kerrick Staley
I understand, but is it at least possible to officially recommend that python, python2, and python3 all exist, that distributions point python to python2, and that scripts specify which of python2 and python3 they are using? This would create a redundant system that doesn't avoids problems even if

Re: [Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Eric Smith
On 3/1/2011 4:19 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote: Hello, There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the documentation to recommend that packagers ensure that python2 is defined. Also, all documentation should be changed t

[Python-Dev] contributors survey?

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hello, In http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2011-February/001340.html, I was asking whether it would be useful to make a survey of past contributors, as in: First, we did a survey of all our past developers who had left the project, asking them why they had lef

[Python-Dev] Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream

2011-03-01 Thread Kerrick Staley
Hello, There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at /usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the documentation to recommend that packagers ensure that python2 is defined. Also, all documentation should be changed to recommend that "#!/usr/bin/env python2" be

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide (hg_transition): Update instructions to use the new "server-side clone" button

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:36:29 +0100 Éric Araujo wrote: > > user:Antoine Pitrou > > date:Tue Mar 01 20:51:42 2011 +0100 > > summary: > > Update instructions to use the new "server-side clone" button > > That’s seriously awesome. > > Where can we have a look at the implementation

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide (hg_transition): Update instructions to use the new "server-side clone" button

2011-03-01 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01.03.2011 21:36, Éric Araujo wrote: >> user:Antoine Pitrou >> date:Tue Mar 01 20:51:42 2011 +0100 >> summary: >> Update instructions to use the new "server-side clone" button > > That’s seriously awesome. > > Where can we have a look at the implementation? Have a guess :)

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide (hg_transition): Update instructions to use the new "server-side clone" button

2011-03-01 Thread Éric Araujo
> user:Antoine Pitrou > date:Tue Mar 01 20:51:42 2011 +0100 > summary: > Update instructions to use the new "server-side clone" button That’s seriously awesome. Where can we have a look at the implementation? A remark: Having all clones created under a dedicated namespace (say

Re: [Python-Dev] devinabox: Add a Python script which will run the test suite in the most rigorous way

2011-03-01 Thread Brett Cannon
The biggest problem with make test is it is not exactly the same as the script (e.g., no automatic -j usage). It also is not cross-platform since Windows dev's are left out without installing cygwin. And we can't simply use -m test as that leaves out flags passed to the interpreter. On Mar 1, 2011

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01.03.2011 16:05, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:52:58 +0200 > Eli Bendersky wrote: >> The PEP (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/) says in "Timeline": >> >> 2010-03-05: final conversion (tentative) >> >> I assume 2011-03-05 is meant here. > > Oh... I guess I was a bit o

Re: [Python-Dev] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01.03.2011 14:45, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: >> All French core developers know I’m French too, but other people on this >> list could have mistaken me, you’re right. > > I actually assumed it was something like that, but assumptions are > deucedl

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:52:58 +0200 Eli Bendersky wrote: > The PEP (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/) says in "Timeline": > > 2010-03-05: final conversion (tentative) > > I assume 2011-03-05 is meant here. Oh... I guess I was a bit optimistic. Thanks for noticing Antoine.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Eli Bendersky
The PEP (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/) says in "Timeline": 2010-03-05: final conversion (tentative) I assume 2011-03-05 is meant here. Eli On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 20:22, antoine.pitrou wrote: > Author: antoine.pitrou > Date: Mon Feb 28 19:22:36 2011 > New Revision: 88676 > > Lo

Re: [Python-Dev] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: > All French core developers know I’m French too, but other people on this > list could have mistaken me, you’re right. I actually assumed it was something like that, but assumptions are deucedly dangerous things with an annoying habit of biting

Re: [Python-Dev] devinabox: Add a Python script which will run the test suite in the most rigorous way

2011-03-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:36:38 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:03 AM, brett.cannon > wrote: > > brett.cannon pushed 3e5a61adb41d to devinabox: > > > > http://hg.python.org/devinabox/rev/3e5a61adb41d > > changeset:   8:3e5a61adb41d > > user:        Brett Cannon > > date:      

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devinabox: Add a Python script which will run the test suite in the most rigorous way

2011-03-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:03 AM, brett.cannon wrote: > brett.cannon pushed 3e5a61adb41d to devinabox: > > http://hg.python.org/devinabox/rev/3e5a61adb41d > changeset:   8:3e5a61adb41d > user:        Brett Cannon > date:        Fri Feb 25 17:35:37 2011 -0800 > summary: >  Add a Python script which

Re: [Python-Dev] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Éric Araujo
> Remember there's no tone of voice, facial expressions or body language > on the internet This linguist approves. > smileys are your friend when kidding around :) All French core developers know I’m French too, but other people on this list could have mistaken me, you’re right. Cheers __

Re: [Python-Dev] r88676 - peps/trunk/pep-0385.txt

2011-03-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Éric Araujo wrote: >> I really meant superfetatory > > Those damn French people with their foreign words. Remember there's no tone of voice, facial expressions or body language on the internet - smileys are your friend when kidding around :) Cheers, Nick. -- Nic