Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-04-01 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 02:30, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: This is something you need to discuss with the Mercurial project. See http://mercurial.selenic.com/bts/ and http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ContributingChanges There's a lot you can change by just starting a new set of

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.04.2011 03:44, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: 2011/3/31 Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com: On Mar 31, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: Le 01/04/2011 01:15, Raymond Hettinger a écrit : The Hg source viewer needs to be tweaked to improve its usability. What we've got

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.04.2011 06:02, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 3/31/2011 8:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:52:23 -0400 Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu wrote: Here is my proposal for a redesign based on an analysis of my usage ;-). I have a 1600x1050 (or thereabouts), 20 (measured) diagonal,

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.04.2011 01:12, schrieb R. David Murray: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:29:29 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wro= te: I agree with this point. =A0The sidebar list of questions is effectively useless.

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Tim Wintle
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 08:37 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: If I understand the policy correctly, 2.5 and 2.6 are not considered active branches, so any doc, build or bug fixes are not acceptable. Actual build fixes may be

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 31.03.2011 19:35, schrieb Éric Araujo: I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, affected branches of Python, meaning 2.5 through 2.7, and 3.1 through 3.3, as soon as possible. Without this, it will be very difficult for anyone on future Ubuntu or Debian

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/04/2011 11:46, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 31.03.2011 19:35, schrieb Éric Araujo: I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, affected branches of Python, meaning 2.5 through 2.7, and 3.1 through 3.3, as soon as possible. Without this, it will be very difficult

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Eric Smith
On 4/1/2011 6:46 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 31.03.2011 19:35, schrieb Éric Araujo: I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, affected branches of Python, meaning 2.5 through 2.7, and 3.1 through 3.3, as soon as possible. Without this, it will be very

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:57:53 -0400 Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: On 4/1/2011 6:46 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 31.03.2011 19:35, schrieb Éric Araujo: I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, affected branches of Python, meaning 2.5 through 2.7, and 3.1

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/04/2011 13:07, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:57:53 -0400 Eric Smithe...@trueblade.com wrote: On 4/1/2011 6:46 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 31.03.2011 19:35, schrieb Éric Araujo: I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, affected branches of

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (3.2): Add links to make the math docs more usable.

2011-04-01 Thread Éric Araujo
There's a space missing here, and the link doesn't work. It does for me. This may depend on the mail reader and whether it parses the url out in spite of the missing space. Victor was talking about the rendered HTML, not his email client. :) Cheers

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.04.2011 13:57, schrieb Michael Foord: On 01/04/2011 11:46, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 31.03.2011 19:35, schrieb Éric Araujo: I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, affected branches of Python, meaning 2.5 through 2.7, and 3.1 through 3..3, as soon as

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/04/2011 13:32, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 01.04.2011 13:57, schrieb Michael Foord: On 01/04/2011 11:46, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 31.03.2011 19:35, schrieb Éric Araujo: I would like to apply this patch (or its moral equivalent) to all active, affected branches of Python, meaning 2.5 through

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Éric Araujo
I don't see any advantage in leaving erroneous docs online even if we aren't going to do any new releases. See thread starting at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-August/103263.html Regards ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:37:42 +0100 Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: I think I was unclear: I'm not advocating doing doc fixes in security-only branches; I'm just explaining why it wouldn't even make sense to do these fixes. I understood. I was suggesting we modify to allow

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/04/2011 13:42, Éric Araujo wrote: I don't see any advantage in leaving erroneous docs online even if we aren't going to do any new releases. See thread starting at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-August/103263.html As far as I can tell there was no clear decision there

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Éric Araujo
As far as I can tell there was no clear decision there either. :-) Not my understanding: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-August/103351.html Regards ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/04/2011 14:49, Éric Araujo wrote: As far as I can tell there was no clear decision there either. :-) Not my understanding: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-August/103351.html That was about whether the release manager should backport doc fixes from 2.7 to the 2.6 branch

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 01, 2011, at 02:07 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: (and, no, I don't think building an old Python on a new Debian/Ubuntu system is anymore important than other kinds of bug or build fixes; let's stop implying that Ubuntu is the dominant OS out there, because it's really not) For the record, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 01, 2011, at 03:07 PM, Michael Foord wrote: That was about whether the release manager should backport doc fixes from 2.7 to the 2.6 branch and the conclusion was not to bother, which is very different from saying that individual developers *can't* apply doc fixes if *they want*. Of

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.04.2011 14:49, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:37:42 +0100 Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: I think I was unclear: I'm not advocating doing doc fixes in security-only branches; I'm just explaining why it wouldn't even make sense to do these fixes. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-04-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: There are of course other Mercurial-web frontends that are free.  hgweb is just the first choice because it's included.  (Just like Tkinter.) For example, I was recently pointed to RhodeCode

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/1/2011 9:45 AM, Michael Foord wrote: See thread starting at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-August/103263.html As far as I can tell there was no clear decision there either. :-) I read it as deciding no doc fixes. (Other than no *need* to bother, which doesn't answer

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2011-04-01 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2011-03-25 - 2011-04-01) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open2733 ( -2) closed 20787 (+69) total 23520 (+67) Open issues

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/1/2011 6:44 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 01.04.2011 06:02, schrieb Terry Reedy: would switch. Just forgot here. Multiply everything by 2.4 for cm. Or by 2.54, if you're using SI cm :) Then its a good thing I did the conversions with a dual scale ruler ;-). So the number were accurate. I

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Add a table of contents to the FAQ.

2011-04-01 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:47:12 +0200, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 01.04.2011 01:12, schrieb R. David Murray: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:29:29 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wro= te: I agree with

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:17:27 -0400 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: Yeah, I know what I said before but I really am still on the fence about non-behavior changing fixes. Both sides have valid positions, IMO. :/ Well, how can you be sure it's non-behaviour changing? A bugfix can always

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:39:59 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 01.04.2011 14:49, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:37:42 +0100 Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: I think I was unclear: I'm not advocating doing doc fixes in security-only branches;

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:39:59 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 01.04.2011 14:49, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: Well, I think the tradeoff is simply: do you want to do more work? (or, given the same amount of

Re: [Python-Dev] faulthandler is now part of Python 3.3

2011-04-01 Thread Ethan Furman
Victor Stinner wrote: I pushed my faulthandler module into the default branch (Python 3.3). Since one week, I fixed a lot of bugs (platform issues), improved the tests and Antoine wrote a new implementation of dump_backtraces_later() using a thread (instead of SIGALRM+alarm()). It should now

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-04-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
That's *way* better: https://bitbucket.org/mirror/cpython/src/3558eecd84f0/Lib/linecache.py Why can't we have that for our primary source viewer. Would you like to install this, or something else, or change the templates? If so, please let me know so I can give you access to dinsdale.

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
FWIW - I maintain legacy code for python2.4, and 2.5 (mainly 2.5). [...] As a result, I'm very much +1 on integrating this patch to previous versions. Updating 2.4 is clearly out of question; and I veto changing 2.5 in that respect. I develop on Ubuntu (and will probably update to 11.04 in a

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I wouldn't say doc fixes are not acceptable, but they are rather pointless since there won't be any more online docs or released docs for those versions. That's the reason I don't want to see the in the tree, though - if people commit something, they expect to see it released at some point. So

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I understood. I was suggesting we modify to allow doc changes that fix errors and push updated docs *online* (not do fresh releases) and asking why not do that (other than policy)? It's too much effort in the release process. I don't actually remember anymore how to do 2.5 documentation

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
And I don't see a problem with build fixes. It's not like we're adding language features. If it makes someone's life easier, then what's the harm? It's extra work with no volunteer doing it. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Eric Smith
On 4/1/2011 3:52 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: And I don't see a problem with build fixes. It's not like we're adding language features. If it makes someone's life easier, then what's the harm? It's extra work with no volunteer doing it. I understood Barry was volunteering. Certainly if no one

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 01.04.2011 17:03, schrieb Barry Warsaw: I think there's no harm in build system or doc fixes that will have no effect on functionality. I do believe that the build system changes can actually break things. The first version of your patch produced additional output on stderr, which may cause

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 01.04.2011 21:54, schrieb Eric Smith: On 4/1/2011 3:52 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: And I don't see a problem with build fixes. It's not like we're adding language features. If it makes someone's life easier, then what's the harm? It's extra work with no volunteer doing it. I understood

Re: [Python-Dev] Please revert autofolding of tracker edit form

2011-04-01 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 4/1/2011 9:08 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: I envy all of you who only have to learn and use one relatively sensible unit system. Me too. But anyone that calls themselves a programmer should be able to realize that the numbers are proportional and Google happily finds online conversion

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.04.2011 18:31, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:39:59 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 01.04.2011 14:49, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:37:42 +0100 Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: I think I was unclear: I'm not advocating

Re: [Python-Dev] Impaired Usability of the Mercurial Source Viewer

2011-04-01 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: That's *way* better: https://bitbucket.org/mirror/cpython/src/3558eecd84f0/Lib/linecache.py Why can't we have that for our primary source viewer. Would you like to install this, or something else, or change the templates? If so,

Re: [Python-Dev] warn_unused_result warnings

2011-04-01 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2011-04-01 03:23:10 Victor Stinner napisał(a): Le 01/04/2011 01:11, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : I'm rather sick of seeing this warnings on all compiles, so I propose we enable the -Wno-unused-results option. I judge that most of the cases where this occurs are error reporting functions,

Re: [Python-Dev] Use regrtest.py --timeout on buildbots

2011-04-01 Thread Victor Stinner
Le jeudi 31 mars 2011 à 18:35 +0200, Victor Stinner a écrit : Hi, I just added a --timeout option to Lib/test/regrtest.py: if a test (one function, not a whole file) takes more than TIMEOUT seconds, the traceback is dumped and it exits. I tested it on 3 buildbots with a timeout of 5 minutes

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 01, 2011, at 09:47 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: FWIW - I maintain legacy code for python2.4, and 2.5 (mainly 2.5). [...] As a result, I'm very much +1 on integrating this patch to previous versions. Updating 2.4 is clearly out of question; and I veto changing 2.5 in that respect. Fair

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Even if their servers won't run ubuntu 11.04+ (or something with the same library paths), their development environments will. They can also patch the Python releases themselves, or use Ubuntu packages that someone else made for them (they can probably just install the old 2.4 packages

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue 11715: building Python from source on multiarch Debian/Ubuntu

2011-04-01 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/1/2011 7:52 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: necessary, I leave it alone. I think we're still due one last bug fix release of Python 3.1, right? Yes, hopefully soon. -- Terry Jan Reedy ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org