Re: [Python-Dev] build from source on mac uses clang, python.org binary uses gcc

2013-02-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14 Feb, 2013, at 20:03, Chris Withers wrote: > On 14/02/2013 12:15, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> >>> buzzkill:virtualenvs chris$ /src/Python-3.3.0/python.exe >>> Python 3.3.0 (default, Jan 23 2013, 09:56:03) >>> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple Clang 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.12)] on darwin >>> Type

Re: [Python-Dev] build from source on mac uses clang, python.org binary uses gcc

2013-02-14 Thread Ned Deily
In article <511d350b.1080...@simplistix.co.uk>, Chris Withers wrote: > On 14/02/2013 12:15, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > > >> buzzkill:virtualenvs chris$ /src/Python-3.3.0/python.exe > >> Python 3.3.0 (default, Jan 23 2013, 09:56:03) > >> [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple Clang 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211

Re: [Python-Dev] build from source on mac uses clang, python.org binary uses gcc

2013-02-14 Thread Chris Withers
On 14/02/2013 12:15, Ronald Oussoren wrote: buzzkill:virtualenvs chris$ /src/Python-3.3.0/python.exe Python 3.3.0 (default, Jan 23 2013, 09:56:03) [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple Clang 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.12)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the PEP 433?

2013-02-14 Thread Ralf Schmitt
Victor Stinner writes: > > Q: The PEP may break applications. > A: Most developers agree that it is (very) unlikely. If file > descriptor inherance matters, subprocess must be used (because it > rocks!) with pass_fds. But that doesn't cover the case for programs that don't fork and really just

Re: [Python-Dev] Question regarding: Lib/_markupbase.py

2013-02-14 Thread Developer Developer
Sorry, I just thought that: if '>' in rawdata[j:] would do a search, that is, that the implementation of "in" would just reuse/call the implementation of "find" and that the position returned would be used as: -1: not in != -1: in which seemed to me like the easy implementation of "in". That's

[Python-Dev] Status of the PEP 433?

2013-02-14 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, I read again all emails related to PEP 433. There are different opposition to this change and I tried to make a summary. My question is: how can I move this PEP forward (accept, defer or reject it)? Can I accept it myself, or do we need a global agreement, or should someone else decide for th

Re: [Python-Dev] build from source on mac uses clang, python.org binary uses gcc

2013-02-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14 Feb, 2013, at 10:18, Chris Withers wrote: > Hi All, > > I've run into "some issues" installing lxml for python 3.3 on my mac: > > > One of the stumbling blocks I've hit is that I built python 3.3 from source > (./configure && make && make altinstall), and it used clang: > > buzzkill:v

Re: [Python-Dev] efficient string concatenation (yep, from 2004)

2013-02-14 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi Greg, On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: > If it's that unreliable, why was it ever implemented > in the first place? I was young and loved hacks and python-dev felt that it was a good idea at the time (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-August/046686.html). A

Re: [Python-Dev] build from source on mac uses clang, python.org binary uses gcc (missing links)

2013-02-14 Thread Chris Withers
On 14/02/2013 09:18, Chris Withers wrote: Hi All, I've run into "some issues" installing lxml for python 3.3 on my mac: (forgot the links) https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/lxml/2013-February/006730.html https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/lxml/2013-February/006731.htm

[Python-Dev] build from source on mac uses clang, python.org binary uses gcc

2013-02-14 Thread Chris Withers
Hi All, I've run into "some issues" installing lxml for python 3.3 on my mac: One of the stumbling blocks I've hit is that I built python 3.3 from source (./configure && make && make altinstall), and it used clang: buzzkill:virtualenvs chris$ /src/Python-3.3.0/python.exe Python 3.3.0 (defaul

Re: [Python-Dev] Marking GC details as CPython-only

2013-02-14 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:50:51 +, Richard Oudkerk a écrit : > On 13/02/2013 7:25pm, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I think resurrecting objects from __del__ is crazy, so IMO what you > > suggest is fine. > > You mean like subprocess.Popen.__del__? I quite agree. Ouch. I didn't know about that. Re