Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 03:03 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" > wrote: > > Am 15.09.13 00:56, schrieb Ryan: > > +1. A 10.6-only build makes sense. > > > I'd like to support Russell's point: this could put a burden on everyone > releasing extension m

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.6): #14984: only import pwd on POSIX.

2013-09-18 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:38:48 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 18, 2013, at 03:00 PM, r.david.murray wrote: > > >http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/fb3ad8a749c8 > >changeset: 85749:fb3ad8a749c8 > >branch: 2.6 > >parent: 85735:1b673e0fd8f3 > >user:R David Murray > >date:

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.6): #14984: only import pwd on POSIX.

2013-09-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 18, 2013, at 03:00 PM, r.david.murray wrote: >http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/fb3ad8a749c8 >changeset: 85749:fb3ad8a749c8 >branch: 2.6 >parent: 85735:1b673e0fd8f3 >user:R David Murray >date:Wed Sep 18 08:49:25 2013 -0400 >summary: > #14984: only import pwd on

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >As a MacBook Pro user running Snow Leopard/10.6.8, I would find the >lack of a binary release problematic, were it not for the fact that I >routinely build from source (and don't do anything Mac-specific with >Python). For those not familiar wit

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Now tracked at http://bugs.python.org/issue19043 Georg On 09/18/2013 04:57 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > OK. Let's do it. > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Georg Brandl > wrote: > > On 09/17/2013 05:37 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 2.7, >>> license() retu

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Ned Deily
In article <87wqme3v3m@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > Skip Montanaro writes: > > > That's why I get my Python (for Snow Leopard) from MacPorts. > > Unless things have changed, that probably doesn't support Mac-specific > > stuff, does it? > You mean in the Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Skip Montanaro
> That's why I get my Python (for Snow Leopard) from MacPorts. Unless things have changed, that probably doesn't support Mac-specific stuff, does it? I was thinking more of non-developer users who are likely to need/want Mac-specific interfaces for tools which are written in Python. That might ju

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Skip Montanaro writes: > > That's why I get my Python (for Snow Leopard) from MacPorts. > > Unless things have changed, that probably doesn't support Mac-specific > stuff, does it? You mean in the Python port or in general? MacPorts supports Mac-specific APIs in a number of ports where upst

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Ned Deily
Thank you all for your comments so far on this subject. I have noted two separate issues raised here: one, how to build the Pythons provided by binary installers to get optimum performance (i.e. use more recent compilers); and, two, what OS X releases should we support with binary installers.

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Bill Janssen
Russell Owen wrote: > I agree that a policy is a good idea, and I suggest it be primarily based on > age, since we cannot assume Apple will release new versions of the OS on a > given timeline. > > I personally think too early to drop support for MacOS X 10.6 and am on the > edge about 10.5.

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Skip Montanaro writes: > I suspect other Mac users stuck on Snow Leopard who are not Python > developers would rue the lack of binary installers more than me. Perhaps, but if Python current as of now isn't good enough for someone for the foreseeable future, aren't they going to want up-to-date

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Skip Montanaro
As a MacBook Pro user running Snow Leopard/10.6.8, I would find the lack of a binary release problematic, were it not for the fact that I routinely build from source (and don't do anything Mac-specific with Python). For those not familiar with the platform, it's perhaps worth noting that upgrade is

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
OK. Let's do it. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > On 09/17/2013 05:37 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 2.7, >>> license() return a text that includes a complete list of > > releases from 1.6 to 2.7 and stops there > > Release Derived YearOwner G

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Sep 18, 2013, at 03:03 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:Am 15.09.13 00:56, schrieb Ryan:+1. A 10.6-only build makes sense. I'd like to support Russell's point: this could put a burden on everyone releasing extension modules to also provide two binary releases, which e.g. would then mess up downloads

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Russell Owen
I agree that a policy is a good idea, and I suggest it be primarily based on age, since we cannot assume Apple will release new versions of the OS on a given timeline. I personally think too early to drop support for MacOS X 10.6 and am on the edge about 10.5. -- Russell On Sep 18, 2013, at 5

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Sep 18, 2013, at 03:36 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:Le Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:54:32 +0200, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit :Am 18.09.13 08:43, schrieb Gregory P. Smith:> Just drop support for 10.6 with Python 3.4. Problem solved. People> on that old of a version of the OS can build thei

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:54:32 +0200, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit : > Am 18.09.13 08:43, schrieb Gregory P. Smith: > > Just drop support for 10.6 with Python 3.4. Problem solved. People > > on that old of a version of the OS can build their own Python 3.4 > > or do the right thing and upgrade or just

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 15.09.13 00:56, schrieb Ryan: > +1. A 10.6-only build makes sense. I'd like to support Russell's point: this could put a burden on everyone releasing extension modules to also provide two binary releases, which e.g. would then mess up downloads from PyPI. So -1. +0 on dropping 10.6 support fro

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 18.09.13 08:43, schrieb Gregory P. Smith: > Just drop support for 10.6 with Python 3.4. Problem solved. People on > that old of a version of the OS can build their own Python 3.4 or do the > right thing and upgrade or just install Linux. > > This isn't Windows. Compiler tool chains are freely a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-18 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/18/2013 01:26 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:40:21 -0700, Ethan Furman a écrit : On 09/17/2013 02:21 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Congrats, I've accepted the PEP. Nice work! Please work with the reviewers on the issue on the code. Congratulations, Stephen! Or Steven

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-18 Thread Georg Brandl
On 09/17/2013 05:37 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 2.7, >>> license() return a text that includes a complete list of > releases from 1.6 to 2.7 and stops there > Release Derived YearOwner GPL- > fromcompatible? (1) >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428: Pathlib -> stat caching

2013-09-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:10:53 -0700, Philip Jenvey a écrit : > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:48:54 -0400 > > Brett Cannon wrote: > >>> > >>> So I would like to propose the following API change: > >>> > >>> - Path.stat() (and stat-accessing me

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:40:21 -0700, Ethan Furman a écrit : > On 09/17/2013 02:21 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Congrats, I've accepted the PEP. Nice work! Please work with the > > reviewers on the issue on the code. > > Congratulations, Stephen! Or Steven even ;)

Re: [Python-Dev] benchmark

2013-09-18 Thread Victor Stinner
Oops, I wanted to send the patch to myself, not to the python-dev mailing list, sorry :-) (It's a set of patch to try to optimize the tracemalloc module.) Victor 2013/9/18 Victor Stinner : > ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mai