Hello,
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:39:48 +0200 (CEST)
raymond.hettinger python-check...@python.org wrote:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/f014b5f0773f
changeset: 86209:f014b5f0773f
user:Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com
date:Thu Oct 10 22:39:39 2013 -0700
summary:
Rename
Let me answer here to Nick's argument on the tracker (made last year,
before the patch was committed):
As with many context managers, a key benefit here is in the priming
effect for readers. In this code:
try:
# Whatever
except (A, B, C):
pass
the reader doesn't
[We are discussing issue #15806.]
2013/10/11 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net:
I don't think that this contextlib.ignore() thing has been discussed a
lot.
If we decide to keep the feature, I would prefer a less generic name:
contextlib.ignore_excep(), contextlib.ignore_exception() or
On 10/11/2013 5:00 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Let me answer here to Nick's argument on the tracker (made last year,
before the patch was committed):
As with many context managers, a key benefit here is in the priming
effect for readers. In this code:
try:
# Whatever
I wanted to teach a co-worker about from __future__ import
absolute_import today, so I thought I'd point them at the docs. The
page for __future__ starts with a bunch of internal details that
almost no one needs to know. There's a table at the end that mentions
the actual importable names,
11.10.13 13:33, Eric V. Smith написав(ла):
And Antoine has again taught me a new word:
polysemic: having more than one meaning; having multiple meanings
There is no such word in my dictionaries. :( Only polysemous and
polysemantic.
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Hi,
recently there has been some talk about reducing import times. It seems
that the current import strategy for C extensions (i.e. importing the
extension at the bottom of the .py file) is quite slow:
import sys
for i in range(1):
import decimal
del
Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
import sys
for i in range(1):
import decimal
del sys.modules('decimal')
del sys.modules('_decimal')
^^^
This happens when a Linux user is forced to use Putty :(
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On 11/10/2013 11:33, Eric V. Smith wrote:
And Antoine has again taught me a new word:
polysemic: having more than one meaning; having multiple meanings
IMHO a poor word to use. I'm a middle aged Brit who's never heard of it
so people who have English as a second language have little or no
Le Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:24:29 +0200,
Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org a écrit :
Hi,
recently there has been some talk about reducing import times. It
seems that the current import strategy for C extensions (i.e.
importing the extension at the bottom of the .py file) is quite slow:
2013/10/11 Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk:
On 11/10/2013 11:33, Eric V. Smith wrote:
And Antoine has again taught me a new word:
polysemic: having more than one meaning; having multiple meanings
IMHO a poor word to use. I'm a middle aged Brit who's never heard of it so
people who
2013/10/11 Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com:
I wanted to teach a co-worker about from __future__ import absolute_import
today, so I thought I'd point them at the docs. The page for __future__
starts with a bunch of internal details that almost no one needs to know.
There's a table at the
On Oct 11, 2013, at 07:24 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
I'd like to suggest that we not consider PEPs to be documentation.
Absolutely +1. That was never the intention behind PEPs.
-Barry
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Le Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:51:24 +0100,
Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit :
On 11/10/2013 11:33, Eric V. Smith wrote:
And Antoine has again taught me a new word:
polysemic: having more than one meaning; having multiple meanings
IMHO a poor word to use. I'm a middle aged Brit
On Oct 11, 2013, at 09:24 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
I don't think that this contextlib.ignore() thing has been discussed a
lot.
Ezio was -1 on the tracker, and Eric Smith was -0. I'd like to add my
-1 too. This is a useless addition (the traditional idiom is perfectly
obvious) and makes reading
Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Try the following:
$ ./python -m timeit -s modname='decimal'; import sys \
__import__(modname); del sys.modules[modname]
1000 loops, best of 3: 2.21 msec per loop
$ ./python -m timeit -s modname='_decimal'; import sys \
__import__(modname);
Le Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:01:35 +0200,
Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org a écrit :
I'm getting about the same values as above. I may be misunderstanding
something, but I wanted to reduce the difference between the 2.21 msec
and the 112 usec.
So you aren't complaining about C extension import
On 10 Oct 2013, at 01:53, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote:
Registration is now open for PyCon US 2014. Are there any plans yet
for the language summit? Just the day (e.g. Thursday April 10) will
suffice. Then we can make arrangements appropriately. Thanks.
Sorry for the late
Hi,
When I open IDLE(Python GUI) from the windows start menu, it always open Python
Shell. When I right click on a *.py file, I cannot see the menu item open with
IDLE. Even after I uninstall and reinstall Python several times with different
versions, the issue remains. I guess it is because
Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
I'm getting about the same values as above. I may be misunderstanding
something, but I wanted to reduce the difference between the 2.21 msec
and the 112 usec.
So you aren't complaining about C extension import time, but Python
code import
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Am 11.10.2013 11:43, schrieb Victor Stinner:
[We are discussing issue #15806.]
2013/10/11 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net:
I don't think that this contextlib.ignore() thing has been discussed a
lot.
If we decide to keep the feature, I would prefer a less generic name:
Am 11.10.2013 16:47, schrieb Barry Warsaw:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 09:24 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
I don't think that this contextlib.ignore() thing has been discussed a
lot.
Ezio was -1 on the tracker, and Eric Smith was -0. I'd like to add my
-1 too. This is a useless addition (the traditional
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
it's open() not opened().
open() predates context managers, but maybe we need a new convention.
with ignore(FileNotFoundError):
vs
with ignored(FileNotFoundError):
To me
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.netwrote:
Let me answer here to Nick's argument on the tracker (made last year,
before the patch was committed):
As with many context managers, a key benefit here is in the priming
effect for readers. In this code:
On 10/11/2013 12:43 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
it's open() not opened().
open() predates context managers, but maybe we need a new convention.
with
On Oct 11, 2013, at 01:19 PM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
But, to continue to paint the shed, shouldn't it be ignoring, to match
closing?
Maybe so.
-Barry
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11.10.13 10:24, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла):
Ezio was -1 on the tracker, and Eric Smith was -0. I'd like to add my
-1 too. This is a useless addition (the traditional idiom is perfectly
obvious) and makes reading foreign code more tedious by adding
superfluous API calls.
I am -1 too. But I want
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:32:45 +0300, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com
wrote:
11.10.13 10:24, Antoine Pitrou напиÑав(ла):
Ezio was -1 on the tracker, and Eric Smith was -0. I'd like to add my
-1 too. This is a useless addition (the traditional idiom is perfectly
obvious) and
On 10/11/2013 05:51 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 11/10/2013 11:33, Eric V. Smith wrote:
And Antoine has again taught me a new word:
polysemic: having more than one meaning; having multiple meanings
IMHO a poor word to use. I'm a middle aged Brit who's never heard of it
so people who have
-1 to contextlib.ignore(s|d|ing|etc)
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On Oct 11, 2013, at 08:32 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
I am -1 too. But I want to hear more about interact with ExitStack (note that
ExitStack itself is not widely used in the stdlib).
Yet. :)
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On 10/11/2013 09:43 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
it's open() not opened().
open() predates context managers, but maybe we need a new convention.
with ignore(FileNotFoundError):
Am 11.10.2013 19:24, schrieb Barry Warsaw:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 01:19 PM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
But, to continue to paint the shed, shouldn't it be ignoring, to match
closing?
Maybe so.
Would at least be consistent since both actions (close/ignore) are done at
the end of the execution of the
On 10/11/2013 10:19 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2013 12:43 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
it's open() not opened().
open() predates context managers, but maybe we need a new
11.10.13 21:41, Glenn Linderman написав(ла):
Seriously, with is the wrong spelling for this using. It should be
while ignorning(FileNotFoundError)
We need extended bool for while condition:
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_.aspx
On 11/10/2013 18:39, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/11/2013 09:43 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
it's open() not opened().
open() predates context managers, but maybe we need a new
On 11/10/2013 19:41, Glenn Linderman wrote:
On 10/11/2013 10:19 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2013 12:43 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
it's open() not opened().
open()
On 10/11/2013 3:37 AM, Hu, Hao (NSN - CN/Beijing) wrote:
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:01:07 +0100, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote:
On 11/10/2013 19:41, Glenn Linderman wrote:
On 10/11/2013 10:19 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2013 12:43 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other
On 10/11/2013 8:04 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
11.10.13 13:33, Eric V. Smith написав(ла):
And Antoine has again taught me a new word:
polysemic: having more than one meaning; having multiple meanings
There is no such word in my dictionaries. :( Only polysemous and
polysemantic.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote:
After a few rounds on import-sig PEP 451 is really for general
consumption. I also have a patch up now.
HTML: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0451/
implementation: http://bugs.python.org/issue18864
Your
Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Just create a _pydecimal module (like _pyio).
That's very fast indeed. There's one minor problem: For backwards compatibility
and pickling [1] I'd need to add
__module__ = 'decimal'
to every class of the Python version. Are there any reasons not to
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Just create a _pydecimal module (like _pyio).
That's very fast indeed. There's one minor problem: For backwards
compatibility
and pickling [1] I'd need to add
__module__ =
2013/10/11 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net:
So the first step I tried is something horrible (typing from memory):
try:
import _decimal
except ImportError:
whole of decimal.py here !!!
else:
from _decimal import *
That way the 2.21 msec are reduced to 912 usec, but the
On 10/11/2013 04:24 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
I'd like to suggest that we not consider PEPs to be documentation.
+1
The few times I've tried to use the PEPs to understand current Python it was
confusing, wrong, and a waste of time.
--
~Ethan~
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On 10/11/2013 12:00 PM, MRAB wrote:
On 11/10/2013 18:39, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 10/11/2013 09:43 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
it's open() not opened().
open() predates context
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.comwrote:
On 10/11/2013 10:19 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2013 12:43 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Oct 11, 2013, at 06:27 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Maybe to fit in with other verb-like APIs used as context managers:
:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 08:01:07PM +0100, MRAB wrote:
On 11/10/2013 19:41, Glenn Linderman wrote:
Insistence on using with for the anti-pattern, and proper English,
would require:
with ignorance_of(FileNotFoundError)
Ignorance means not knowing, but we _do_ know about
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:09:56 -0300, Zero Piraeus z...@etiol.net wrote:
:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 08:01:07PM +0100, MRAB wrote:
On 11/10/2013 19:41, Glenn Linderman wrote:
Insistence on using with for the anti-pattern, and proper English,
would require:
with
On 11/10/2013 17:07, Python tracker wrote:
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Looking at the figures above I'd just like to say thank you to
On 12 Oct 2013 03:58, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:32:45 +0300, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com
wrote:
11.10.13 10:24, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла):
Ezio was -1 on the tracker, and Eric Smith was -0. I'd like to add my
-1 too. This is a useless
On 12 Oct 2013 05:49, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Just create a _pydecimal module (like _pyio).
That's very fast indeed. There's one minor problem: For
Hi,
What do you think of adding an optional identifier to a PEP to get a
readable URL?
Example:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/qualname/
instead of
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0395/
Other examples:
305: csv
450: statistics
3156: asyncio
An identifier must only contain lower case
What's the use case? I just use Google search if I don't recall the PEP
number.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
What do you think of adding an optional identifier to a PEP to get a
readable URL?
Example:
On 12/10/2013 00:13, Victor Stinner wrote:
Hi,
What do you think of adding an optional identifier to a PEP to get a
readable URL?
Example:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/qualname/
instead of
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0395/
Other examples:
305: csv
450: statistics
3156:
On 11 Oct 2013 21:25, Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com wrote:
I wanted to teach a co-worker about from __future__ import
absolute_import today, so I thought I'd point them at the docs. The page
for __future__ starts with a bunch of internal details that almost no one
needs to know.
On 12 Oct 2013 09:27, christian.heimes python-check...@python.org wrote:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/29c4a6a11e76
changeset: 86216:29c4a6a11e76
user:Christian Heimes christ...@cheimes.de
date:Sat Oct 12 01:27:08 2013 +0200
summary:
Issue #19209: Remove import of
Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com writes:
For draft PEP, the identifier may change.
For an idea implemented in several PEPs, the obvious identifier may be
taken first, but the preferred PEP for that identifier may later change.
For example, PEP 354 would have the obvious keyword “enum”
On 12 Oct 2013 09:32, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 12/10/2013 00:13, Victor Stinner wrote:
Hi,
What do you think of adding an optional identifier to a PEP to get a
readable URL?
Example:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/qualname/
instead of
On 12 Oct 2013 09:42, christian.heimes python-check...@python.org wrote:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/89e405e6a7a9
changeset: 86218:89e405e6a7a9
parent: 86216:29c4a6a11e76
user:Christian Heimes christ...@cheimes.de
date:Sat Oct 12 01:38:52 2013 +0200
summary:
On Oct 12, 2013, at 09:06 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
I'm not too fussy about the name (clearly). We originally picked ignored(),
Raymond asked if he could change it to ignore() (and I said yes),
Just as a point of order, it would be good to capture such side-channel
discussions in the relevant
2013/10/12 Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org:
What's the use case? I just use Google search if I don't recall the PEP
number.
The final goal would be to identify PEPs using a textual identifier
instead of a number identifier.
We now have 206 PEPs (341 if you count also deferred and rejected
On 10/11/2013 04:35 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com writes:
For draft PEP, the identifier may change.
For an idea implemented in several PEPs, the obvious identifier may be
taken first, but the preferred PEP for that identifier may later change.
For example,
Hm. I think at that scale giving every PEP a unique name and remembering
those names is just as hard. And the issue with different versions or
variants of the same idea is real. I think it's not worth the effort.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.comwrote:
2013/10/12 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au:
Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com writes:
For draft PEP, the identifier may change.
For an idea implemented in several PEPs, the obvious identifier may be
taken first, but the preferred PEP for that identifier may later change.
For
2013/10/12 Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us:
What do you propose in cases like this? Should the keyword always refer
to the same PEP it did in the past, even when that PEP is no longer as
relevant given later PEPs? Or should the keyword reach a different,
newer PEP if that newer PEP becomes a
On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/10/12 Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us:
What do you propose in cases like this? Should the keyword always refer
to the same PEP it did in the past, even when that PEP is no longer as
relevant given later PEPs? Or
2013/10/12 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com:
summary:
Issue #19209: fix structseq test
diff --git a/Lib/test/test_structseq.py b/Lib/test/test_structseq.py
--- a/Lib/test/test_structseq.py
+++ b/Lib/test/test_structseq.py
@@ -38,7 +38,7 @@
# os.stat() gives a complicated struct
On 10/11/2013 06:13 PM, Victor Stinner wrote:
Let me try to name PEPs related to Unicode:
100: unicode_integration
261: unicode_ucs4
277: windows_unicode_filenames (hum, I proposed a limit of 20
characters, this name is 25 characters long)
383: surrogateescape
393: compact_unicode
414:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:20:28 -0400, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Oct 12, 2013, at 09:06 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
I'm not too fussy about the name (clearly). We originally picked ignored(),
Raymond asked if he could change it to ignore() (and I said yes),
Just as a point of order,
Nick Coghlan writes:
(RDM is also right that the exception still has the effect of
terminating the block early, but I view names as mnemonics rather
than necessarily 100% accurate descriptions of things).
This is just way too ambiguous for my taste. I can't help reading
with
Victor Stinner writes:
Quoting someone else:
For that matter, what names would you give to the myriad unicode
peps?
For what value of you? ISTM that's important.
Let me try to name PEPs related to Unicode:
Of the ones you suggest, the only one that rings bells for me is
On 12 Oct 2013 11:15, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/10/12 Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us:
What do you propose in cases like this? Should the keyword always refer
to the same PEP it did in the past, even when that PEP is no longer as
relevant given later PEPs? Or
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Adopting a suitable set of keywords (like unicode, import, builtins, syntax,
stdlib, cpython) could be interesting, though.
A couple years ago I started a page on the wiki for a topical listing
of the PEPS [1]. I even
On 10/11/2013 07:47 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Nick Coghlan writes:
(RDM is also right that the exception still has the effect of
terminating the block early, but I view names as mnemonics rather
than necessarily 100% accurate descriptions of things).
This is just way too
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