[Python-Dev] pushing 2.7.7 back a week

2014-05-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
I'm pushing the release schedule for 2.7.7 back a week. That means the release candidate will be next weekend (May 17). This will hopefully save some trouble for the people who build our binaries, since 3.4.1 final is happening next weekend, too. Regards, Benjamin _

[Python-Dev] should tests be thread-safe?

2014-05-09 Thread akira
Hi, May tests expect that unless they themselves start a thread then there are no threads to worry about? I see that some old tests are not thread-safe and I have not found it to be explicitly mentioned in the devguide. I've written a test for http://bugs.python.org/issue21332 that is known

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 5/9/2014 2:12 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: >> >> On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > >>> I don't understand this. Why it is our responsibility to provide a >>> free service for a large project to repeatedly download a set of fi

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/9/2014 2:12 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, R. David Murray wrote: I don't understand this. Why it is our responsibility to provide a free service for a large project to repeatedly download a set of files they need? Why does it not make more sense for them to down

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Fri, 09 May 2014 11:39:02 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote: >> >> On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote: On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> I snipped the rest of t

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 09 May 2014 11:39:02 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > I snipped the rest of the discussion and reliability, using > > unmaintained pack

Re: [Python-Dev] Tix version needed to build 2.7 Windows installer?

2014-05-09 Thread Zachary Ware
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Zachary Ware wrote: > I updated the 2.7 buildbot scripts to pull in Tcl/Tk 8.5.15 a couple > of weeks ago (see http://bugs.python.org/issue21303), but hadn't > gotten anything done with Tix yet. It should just need python.mak > updated to point to Tcl/Tk 8.5.15; it

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Ian Cordasco
Stefan, If the only way you can think of to invalidate Donald's (vastly superior) arguments is to accuse of him of "gossip", you should probably reconsider your arguments. Looking at the conversation you didn't actually link to (https://botbot.me/freenode/python-requests/msg/14389415/) there is no

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Stefan Krah wrote: > Donald, I'm out of his discussion. I have one last request: please don't > gossip about core devs in public as long as you have commit privs: > > https://botbot.me/freenode/python-requests/ I don’t really know how to respond to this. I was tal

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 09.05.2014 17:39, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote: >>> >>> On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Donald: I don't think anyone is arguing that hosting packages on PyPI is a bad thing a

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Stefan Krah
Donald, I'm out of his discussion. I have one last request: please don't gossip about core devs in public as long as you have commit privs: https://botbot.me/freenode/python-requests/ Stefan Krah ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org ht

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2014-05-09 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2014-05-02 - 2014-05-09) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open4611 ( +6) closed 28624 (+42) total 33235 (+48) Open issues wit

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 9:58 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote: >> >> On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> Donald: I don't think anyone is arguing that hosting packages on >>> PyPI is a bad thing and PyPI as a service has gotten a lot better >>> tha

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 06:09:28AM -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 05/08/2014 02:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > Well, I do host a small handful of modules on PyPI, but I can say that some > of my pain points are: > > - getting a good name: the obvious ones are taken, so the search > begins to

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 09.05.2014 13:44, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> Donald: I don't think anyone is arguing that hosting packages on >> PyPI is a bad thing and PyPI as a service has gotten a lot better >> than it was a few years ago. > > Didn’t mean to imply that I

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Ethan Furman
On 05/08/2014 02:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote: Socially, this change does not seem to be having the effect of persuading more package developers to host on PyPI. The stick doesn't appear to have worked, maybe we should be trying to find a carrot? Or maybe we have to accept that some developers have s

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 9 May 2014 13:47:49 +0100 Paul Moore wrote: > On 9 May 2014 13:25, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> You're claiming that Mercurial moved to hosting on PyPI solely because > >> users suddenly needed to add a flag to install from pip? As opposed to > >> because PyPI gave them a more reliable hosti

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Paul Moore
On 9 May 2014 13:25, Donald Stufft wrote: >> You're claiming that Mercurial moved to hosting on PyPI solely because >> users suddenly needed to add a flag to install from pip? As opposed to >> because PyPI gave them a more reliable hosting platform, for example? >> OK. I certainly can't give any e

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Stefan Krah
Paul Moore wrote: > You're claiming that Mercurial moved to hosting on PyPI solely because > users suddenly needed to add a flag to install from pip? As opposed to > because PyPI gave them a more reliable hosting platform, for example? > OK. I certainly can't give any evidence to dispute that clai

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 9 May 2014 13:06, Donald Stufft wrote: I think it's important to point out that one of the driving factors that caused me to finally push for changes and what lead to PEP438 being created was that Mercurial's external

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Paul Moore
On 9 May 2014 13:06, Donald Stufft wrote: >>> I think it's important to point out that one of the driving factors that >>> caused >>> me to finally push for changes and what lead to PEP438 being created was >>> that >>> Mercurial's external hosted was being extremely flaky. I can't remember the

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 9 May 2014 12:44, Donald Stufft wrote: >> We still wouldn't be forcing anyone to upload things to PyPI. We are, >> however, >> discouraging people from not hosting on PyPI and providing incentives to >> doing >> that. > > But you're doing so

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 9 May 2014 21:55, Paul Moore wrote: > On 9 May 2014 12:44, Donald Stufft wrote: >> I think it's important to point out that one of the driving factors that >> caused >> me to finally push for changes and what lead to PEP438 being created was that >> Mercurial's external hosted was being extre

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 9 May 2014 05:34, Donald Stufft wrote: >> On May 8, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: >> Socially, this change does not seem to be having the effect of persuading more package developers to host on PyPI. The stick doesn't

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Paul Moore
On 9 May 2014 12:44, Donald Stufft wrote: > We still wouldn't be forcing anyone to upload things to PyPI. We are, however, > discouraging people from not hosting on PyPI and providing incentives to doing > that. But you're doing so by inflicting pain on people using pip to install those packages.

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Donald Stufft
On May 9, 2014, at 4:12 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 08.05.2014 23:22, Donald Stufft wrote: >> >>> On a personal note, I'm uncomfortable with the way this change is >>> perceived as a case of *pip* enforcing a behaviour that the pip >>> developers feel should be required. I actually don't like

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Stefan Krah
Donald Stufft wrote: > I?m unsure if you?re being willfully dense or if you?re just not understanding > what I mean when I say ?almost?. Of course there are going to be a few > outliers > where people do bother to do that, but it?s not going to be common place at > all. I suggest that you confin

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread Paul Moore
On 9 May 2014 05:34, Donald Stufft wrote: > On May 8, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > >>> Socially, this change does not seem to be having the effect of >>> persuading more package developers to host on PyPI. The stick doesn't >>> appear to have worked, maybe we should be trying to find

Re: [Python-Dev] pip: cdecimal an externally hosted file and may be unreliable [sic]

2014-05-09 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 08.05.2014 23:22, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> On a personal note, I'm uncomfortable with the way this change is >> perceived as a case of *pip* enforcing a behaviour that the pip >> developers feel should be required. I actually don't like this change >> particularly. So having pip implement the