Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit Follow-Up

2014-05-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/29/2014 1:22 AM, INADA Naoki wrote: We would like to stress that we don't believe anything on this list is as important as the continuing efforts that everyone in the broader ecosystem is making. If you just want to ease the transition by working on anything at all, the best use of your tim

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit Follow-Up

2014-05-28 Thread INADA Naoki
> We would like to stress that we don't believe anything on this list is as > important as the continuing efforts that everyone in the broader ecosystem > is making. If you just want to ease the transition by working on anything > at all, the best use of your time right now is porting > https://wa

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit Follow-Up

2014-05-28 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, May 28, 2014, at 15:26, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > Add some warnings about python 3 compatibility. > It should at least be possible to get a warning for every single implicit > string coercion. > Old-style classes. > Old-style division. Fun fact: This can be achieved with the -Qwarn comman

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit Follow-Up

2014-05-28 Thread Eric Snow
Thanks for for putting this together. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > At the language summit, Alex and I volunteered to put together some > recommendations on what changes could be made to Python (the language) in > order to facilitate a smoother transition from Python 2

[Python-Dev] Language Summit Follow-Up

2014-05-28 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
At the language summit, Alex and I volunteered to put together some recommendations on what changes could be made to Python (the language) in order to facilitate a smoother transition from Python 2 to Python 3. One of the things that motivated this was the (surprising, to us) consideration that

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On May 29, 2014, at 07:37 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>Debian Testing (Jessie) ships both 3.3 and 3.4, with the 'python3' >>package pulling in 3.3. That may change before Jessie becomes stable, >>I don't know. > > It already has: > > https://

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 29, 2014, at 07:37 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >Debian Testing (Jessie) ships both 3.3 and 3.4, with the 'python3' >package pulling in 3.3. That may change before Jessie becomes stable, >I don't know. It already has: https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2014/05/msg00162.html The question

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > 2014-05-28 22:05 GMT+02:00 Eli Bendersky : >> Most Linux installs go through package managers which don't count here, no? > > For Debian, there is the "popcorn" project which provides some statistics: > > http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?pack

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Victor Stinner
2014-05-28 22:05 GMT+02:00 Eli Bendersky : > Most Linux installs go through package managers which don't count here, no? For Debian, there is the "popcorn" project which provides some statistics: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=python2.6 http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=python2.7 h

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On May 28, 2014 4:06 PM, "Eli Bendersky" wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> Is the Windows/Mac ratio still 70/30, with Linux in the single digits? >> > > Most Linux installs go through package managers which don't count here, no? I'll have to run som

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Is the Windows/Mac ratio still 70/30, with Linux in the single digits? > > Most Linux installs go through package managers which don't count here, no? Eli > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: > >> On May 28, 2014

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
Is the Windows/Mac ratio still 70/30, with Linux in the single digits? On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: > On May 28, 2014 12:49 PM, "Brian Curtin" wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou > wrote: > > > I don't think we have recent download numbers s

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On May 28, 2014 12:49 PM, "Brian Curtin" wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I don't think we have recent download numbers since the Website > > overhaul (do we?), but Python 3 isn't an "experimental concept > > language" anymore (it hasn't been since 3.3 or 3.2,

[Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > I don't think we have recent download numbers since the Website > overhaul (do we?), but Python 3 isn't an "experimental concept > language" anymore (it hasn't been since 3.3 or 3.2, I'd say). Using the old logs, which are still good throug

[Python-Dev] use cases for "python-config" versus "pkg-config python"

2014-05-28 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Hello! Stumbling over problems on AIX (Modules/python.exp not found) building libxml2 as python module let me wonder about the intended use-cases for 'python-config' and 'pkg-config python'. FWIW, I can see these distinct use cases here, and I'm kindly asking if I got them right: * Build an a