Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > First of all, it's essentially the route that Python itself took and the side > effects of that is essentially what is making things less-fun for me to write > Python. Doing the same to the users of the things I write would make me feel > bad

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: >> So that's basically it, lowest common demoniator programming where it's hard >> to >> look at the future and see anything but the same (or similar) language subset >> that I'm cur

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > So that's basically it, lowest common demoniator programming where it's hard > to > look at the future and see anything but the same (or similar) language subset > that I'm currently using. This is especially frustrating when you see other >

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:29 AM, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> >> On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24:15AM -0800, Mark Roberts wrote: >>> So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've >>> ported 10-20 libraries to Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24:15AM -0800, Mark Roberts wrote: >> So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've >> ported 10-20 libraries to Python 3 and write Python 2/3 compatible code at >> work. I'm also awa

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24:15AM -0800, Mark Roberts wrote: > So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've > ported 10-20 libraries to Python 3 and write Python 2/3 compatible code at > work. I'm also aware of how much writing 2/3 compatible code makes me hate > Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Terry Reedy
On 12/12/2014 1:24 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: However, my point was that just because the core libraries by usage are *starting* to roll out Python 3 support doesn't mean that things are "easy" or "convenient" yet. ... I suppose what I'm saying is that the long tail of libraries is far more valua

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2/3 porting HOWTO has been updated

2014-12-12 Thread Brett Cannon
I have now addressed Nick's comments and backported to Python 2.7. On Sat Dec 06 2014 at 8:40:24 AM Brett Cannon wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. I'll update the doc probably on Friday. > > On Sat Dec 06 2014 at 12:41:54 AM Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> On 6 December 2014 at 14:40, Nick Coghlan wr

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 12, 2014, at 08:07 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: >If anyone is wondering why their favorite Linux distribution is stuck with >Python 2 – well, I can only speak for Fedora, but nowadays most of what's >left are CPython bindings. No pylint --py3k or 2to3 will help there... It's true that some of

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Petr Viktorin
Also keep in mind that not all Python libraries are on PyPI. For non-Python projects with Python bindings (think video players, OpenCV, systemd, Samba), distribution via PyPI doesn't make much sense. And since the Python bindings are usually second-class citizens, the porting doesn't have a high pr

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2014-12-11, 14:47 GMT, Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: > I still think the only *real* obstacle remains the lack of > important packages such as twisted, gevent and pika which > haven't been ported yet. And unwise decisions of some vendors (like, unfortunately my belvoed employer with RHEL-7) not t

[Python-Dev] Issue 22919: Update PCBuild for VS 2015

2014-12-12 Thread Steve Dower
FYI, I've just committed these changes (http://bugs.python.org/issue22919). There shouldn't be any immediate failures, as the updated projects will still build with VS 2010, but our Windows developers/buildbots can migrate onto the later tools as they feel comfortable. I know there are at least

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've ported 10-20 libraries to Python 3 and write Python 2/3 compatible code at work. I'm also aware of how much writing 2/3 compatible code makes me hate Python as a language. It'll be a happy day when one of the two languages die

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2014-12-12 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2014-12-05 - 2014-12-12) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open4666 ( +0) closed 30137 (+42) total 34803 (+42) Open issues wit