Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

Nick Coghlan writes: > Sorry, I crossed a line there - I know everyone posting to this thread > is doing so with the best interests of Python at heart. Thanks for saying so, I was mulling a similar post but yours came first. > The *problem* with threads like this one is that they end up feeling

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 07/19/2015 02:33 PM, Florian Bruhin wrote: * Ron Adam [2015-07-19 11:17:10 -0400]: >I had to look at the source to figure out what this thread was really all >about. And it seems I don't quite get it still, but I am trying. >Basically it looks to me the purpose of adding "assret" is t

Re: [Python-Dev] GetFinalPathNameByHandleW - what is the minimum windows version python-3.5 will support ?

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > I think this line in the PEP, "Because of this policy, no further Windows > releases need to be listed in this PEP. " is false economy. Your research on > server 2003 should be recorded. (The presence of a 3.5 Server 2003 buildbot, > even thoug

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 19/07/2015 22:06, Brett Cannon wrote: On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:58 AM Ethan Furman mailto:et...@stoneleaf.us>> wrote: On 07/19/2015 02:22 AM, s.krah wrote: > Ein Sa, 18 Jul 2015 15:35:05 + *Stephen J. Turnbull hat geschrieben >> s.krah writes: >>> Sorry

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:58 AM Ethan Furman wrote: > On 07/19/2015 02:22 AM, s.krah wrote: > > Ein Sa, 18 Jul 2015 15:35:05 + *Stephen J. Turnbull hat > geschrieben > >> s.krah writes: > > >>> Sorry, that amounts to twisting my words. > >> > >> Let's not play the dozens here. That

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 07/19/2015 11:11 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: Given that the issue is one of only partial reversion, and that a new patch would therefore be needed, I also think that some fuss would have been avoided if one of the initial objectors had done what you did, or volunteered to write a new patch, or

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

* Ron Adam [2015-07-19 11:17:10 -0400]: > I had to look at the source to figure out what this thread was really all > about. > > Basically it looks to me the purpose of adding "assret" is to add an "alias > check" for "unsafe" methods. It doesn't actually add an "alias". It allows > a developer

Re: [Python-Dev] GetFinalPathNameByHandleW - what is the minimum windows version python-3.5 will support ?

On 7/19/2015 9:51 AM, Tim Golden wrote: On 19/07/2015 13:10, Vitaly Murashev wrote: I've just found out that that on Windows internal implementation of python35.dll in posixmodule.c uses winapi function GetFinalPathNameByHandleW By the way from MSDN: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/w

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 7/19/2015 11:52 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 07/18/2015 05:13 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: However, from the core developer side [...] Participants Core Dev? Position on "assret" ----- Dima Tismek no

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 07/19/2015 11:52 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: Seems to me a lot of fuss could have been avoided by just acknowledging that a mistake may have been made, and asking for patches if anybody cared enough about it. I'm not sure it's a mistake, but it may not be the best way to do what the "alias ch

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 07/19/2015 02:22 AM, s.krah wrote: Ein Sa, 18 Jul 2015 15:35:05 + *Stephen J. Turnbull hat geschrieben s.krah writes: Sorry, that amounts to twisting my words. Let's not play the dozens here. That just extends the thread to no point. Indeed. I'll just filter you from n

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 07/18/2015 01:11 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: For the discussion on "assret", I'm surprised how much people replied. The mock maintainer, Michael Foord, replied: it was an explicit request from users... Users ask for lots of things that don't make it into the stdlib. -- ~Ethan~

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 07/18/2015 05:13 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: However, from the core developer side [...] Participants Core Dev? Position on "assret" ----- Dima Tismek no-1 Xavier Morel no-

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

On 07/16/2015 07:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:35:53 +1200 Alexander wrote: > >I do not want to read mistyped code from other developers and try to >guess whether it will work properly or not. You don't have to guess anything. If it's mistyped, either it raises Attrib

Re: [Python-Dev] GetFinalPathNameByHandleW - what is the minimum windows version python-3.5 will support ?

On 19/07/2015 13:10, Vitaly Murashev wrote: I've just found out that that on Windows internal implementation of python35.dll in posixmodule.c uses winapi function GetFinalPathNameByHandleW By the way from MSDN: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa364962%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

[Python-Dev] GetFinalPathNameByHandleW - what is the minimum windows version python-3.5 will support ?

I've just found out that that on Windows internal implementation of python35.dll in posixmodule.c uses winapi function GetFinalPathNameByHandleW By the way from MSDN: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa364962%28v=vs.85%29.aspx Minimum supported client   Windows Vista [de

Re: [Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

Ein Sa, 18 Jul 2015 15:35:05 + Stephen J. Turnbull hat geschrieben s.krah writes: >> Sorry, that amounts to twisting my words. > Let's not play the dozens here. That just extends the thread to no point. Indeed. I'll just filter you from now on. St