Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

2015-07-29 Thread Tim Peters
[Lennart Regebro] \>>> I have yet to see a use case for that. [Tim] >> Of course you have. When you address them, you usually dismiss them >> as "calendar operations" (IIRC). '[Lennart] > Those are not usecases for this broken behaviour. > > I agree there is a usecase for where you want to add

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-29 Thread Robert Collins
On 29 July 2015 at 02:17, Ben Finney wrote: > Paul Moore writes: > >> On 28 July 2015 at 13:35, Ben Finney wrote: >> > People can, do, and probably must make many decisions through >> > non-rational processes. I don't propose to change that. >> >> Good. >> >> > Choices can be made that, when cha

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmark Results for Python Default 2015-07-24

2015-07-29 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM Catalin G. Manciu < catalin.gabriel.man...@intel.com> [SNIP -- stuff came back as visible HTML; hopefully I didn't miss something] > > > Thank you for your feedback! We value the community’s input and we would > like to provide the most relevant results in our autom

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmark Results for Python Default 2015-07-24

2015-07-29 Thread Catalin G . Manciu
Brett Cannon python.org> writes: > > > Should we discuss of these are the benchmarks we want daily reports on (you can see what the benchmark suite has at https://hg.python.org/benchmarks/file/2979f5ce6a0c/perf.py#l2243 )? I personally would prefer dropping pybench and replacing it with a st

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-29 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/29/2015 09:18 AM, Wes Turner wrote: sorry, I haven't the context for this tl;dr -- Mock objects now protect against accidentally accessing wrong assert methods by raising an attribute error; this is different than past behavior in that any attribute that didn't exist simply returned a

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

2015-07-29 Thread Wes Turner
On Jul 28, 2015 10:41 PM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > Ben Finney writes: > > > I've made a clear distinction between the need to *be able to* > > justify a change, versus arbitrary demands to do so by arbitrary > > members. > > > > The latter is what you're arguing against, and of course

Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

2015-07-29 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:26:44 +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Tim Peters wrote: > >> I have yet to see a use case for that. > > > > Of course you have. When you address them, you usually dismiss them > > as "calendar operations" (IIRC). > > Those are not usecase

Re: [Python-Dev] Status on PEP-431 Timezones

2015-07-29 Thread Ronald Oussoren
> On 28 Jul 2015, at 03:13, Tres Seaver wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/27/2015 06:11 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >> Treating time as UTC with conversions at the application edge might >> be "cleaner" in some sense, but can make code harder to read for >>