Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 26 November 2015 at 06:17, Robert Collins wrote: > On 26 November 2015 at 08:57, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> There's a lot to process in this thread, but as I see it, the issue breaks >> down to these questions: >> >> * How should PEP 493 be implemented? >> >> * What should the default be? >> >> *

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 26 November 2015 at 05:57, Barry Warsaw wrote: > There's a lot to process in this thread, but as I see it, the issue breaks > down to these questions: > > * How should PEP 493 be implemented? > > * What should the default be? > > * How should PEP 493 be worded to express the right tone to redis

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with a book

2015-11-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Jacob Zimmerman wrote: > Anyway, I am currently reading through my initial rough draft and making > corrections for a revised draft. Once I'm done with that, I'd like a few > volunteers to read through it. First, to find spelling, grammatical, or > consistency mist

Re: [Python-Dev] Help with a book

2015-11-25 Thread Emanuel Barry
As someone who plays around a *lot* with descriptors, I would be interested in reviewing it. I may not have the same knowledge as a core developer, but I can still help. Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 14:31:09 -0600 From: sad2proj...@gmail.com To: python-dev@python.org Subject: [Python-Dev] Help with a

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 25, 2015, at 03:39 PM, R. David Murray wrote: >I think we should include the environment variable support in CPython >and be done with it (nuke the PEP otherwise). Which is what I've >thought from the beginning :) +1. I'd like to see my proposed convenience function added too. I'm -0 on

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 24, 2015, at 02:12 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >On 24 November 2015 at 11:59, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> We'd have to also handle >> migration paths to newer Ubuntu releases, which probably means removing the >> config file on future upgrades. > >You'll need to figure out those migration paths an

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 24, 2015, at 09:16 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >It sounds like the implementation sections of the PEP are acceptable Well, see my follow up to MAL's email. From Rob's and RDM's responses, it seems we're not alone. :) I like all your other proposed changes, although I'll note the preferenc

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:39:54 -0500, "R. David Murray" writes: >I think we should include the environment variable support in CPython >and be done with it (nuke the PEP otherwise). Which is what I've >thought from the beginning :) > >--David I like this idea too. Laura __

[Python-Dev] Help with a book

2015-11-25 Thread Jacob Zimmerman
Hello Python Developers! I'm writing a book about descriptors, and I'm hoping to make it a comprehensive guide, covering just about everything there is to know about descriptors, including many tips to get past certain knowledge barriers and how to avoid certain pitfalls. I'm hoping for it to beco

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:17:02 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: > On 26 November 2015 at 08:57, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > There's a lot to process in this thread, but as I see it, the issue breaks > > down to these questions: > > > > * How should PEP 493 be implemented? > > > > * What should the default

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Robert Collins
On 26 November 2015 at 08:57, Barry Warsaw wrote: > There's a lot to process in this thread, but as I see it, the issue breaks > down to these questions: > > * How should PEP 493 be implemented? > > * What should the default be? > > * How should PEP 493 be worded to express the right tone to redis

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
There's a lot to process in this thread, but as I see it, the issue breaks down to these questions: * How should PEP 493 be implemented? * What should the default be? * How should PEP 493 be worded to express the right tone to redistributors? Let me take on the implementation details here. On

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

2015-11-25 Thread Cory Benfield
> On 24 Nov 2015, at 12:53, Christian Heimes wrote: > Right, with Antoine and Alex out of scope and you, Victor and me working > for Red Hat, the air is getting thin. Benjamin is familiar with the ssl > module. Or we can follow Alex's advice and ask somebody from the PyCA > group (Donald, Paul, l