Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 2.7.16

2019-03-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, at 03:18, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 04. 03. 19 4:30, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > Hello all, > > I'm pleased to announce the immediate availability of Python 2.7.16 for > > download at https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2716/. > > > > The only change since the r

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2019-03-05 Thread Inada Naoki
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Steve Holden
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 9:04 PM Steve Dower wrote: > On 05Mar2019 1245, Chris Angelico wrote: > > How much effort does it take to sponsor a PEP? I'm not a core dev, but > > I can help someone with the work of writing and publishing. So if, in > > that hypothetical situation, some (very busy) core

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Steve Dower
On 05Mar2019 1245, Chris Angelico wrote: How much effort does it take to sponsor a PEP? I'm not a core dev, but I can help someone with the work of writing and publishing. So if, in that hypothetical situation, some (very busy) core dev were willing to say "yeah, go ahead, put my name on it", wou

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:41 AM Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:59 AM Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> >> On 2019-03-05 18:14, Steve Dower wrote: >> > However, if you don't have >> > *a single* core developer on board from python-ideas, chances are the >> > whole team is going to rej

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:59 AM Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2019-03-05 18:14, Steve Dower wrote: > > However, if you don't have > > *a single* core developer on board from python-ideas, chances are the > > whole team is going to reject the proposal. > > Sure, I couldn't agree more. But this is som

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2019-03-05 18:14, Steve Dower wrote: However, if you don't have *a single* core developer on board from python-ideas, chances are the whole team is going to reject the proposal. Sure, I couldn't agree more. But this is something that a PEP mentor (instead of sponsor) also could deal with. A

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:36 AM Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > Le mar. 5 mars 2019 à 02:53, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > The steering council has implemented a new idea called sponsors to the > PEP process (...). The thinking is that to help make sure PEPs from > non-core developers receive approp

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:33 AM Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2019-03-05 14:05, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > I'm worried this creates a gatekeeping perception that will scare away > > contributors. > It might, but if people are not prepared properly for the PEP process then it's best to spare them and

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:13 PM Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Does this apply to existing draft PEPs or only new ones? > Only new ones; this is not retroactive. -Brett > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailm

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Steve Dower
On 05Mar2019 0620, James Edwards wrote: I have to say, this is sort of surprising for what seems like the first official action of the steering committee.  Are there really /that many /PEPs that a team that is now, what, 5x the size of the BFDL model is worried that they'll be able to keep up? 

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2019-03-05 Thread Ezio Melotti
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:05 AM Ezio Melotti wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:59 AM Terry Reedy wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 6:54 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: > > > > > There seems to be enough evidence that something went wrong somewhere, > > > though, and whoever maintains that process should st

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 2.7.16

2019-03-05 Thread Steve Dower
On 04Mar2019 1631, Terry Reedy wrote: On 3/3/2019 10:30 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: I'm pleased to announce the immediate availability of Python 2.7.16 for download at https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2716/. On Windows 10, this is an 'unrecognized app' and Windows Defender Sm

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2019-03-05 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2019-02-15 - 2019-02-22) Python tracker at https://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open6999 (-10) closed 40834 (+87) total 47833 (+77) Open issues wi

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2019-03-05 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2019-02-08 - 2019-02-15) Python tracker at https://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open7009 (+11) closed 40747 (+51) total 47756 (+62) Open issues wi

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread James Edwards
I have to say, this is sort of surprising for what seems like the first official action of the steering committee. Are there really *that many *PEPs that a team that is now, what, 5x the size of the BFDL model is worried that they'll be able to keep up? As a long-time lurker, this hardly seems to

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Jeroen Demeyer
On 2019-03-05 14:05, Calvin Spealman wrote: I'm worried this creates a gatekeeping perception that will scare away contributors. +1 I also expressed this worry at https://github.com/python/peps/pull/903 You could keep the positive part of the sponsoring idea (somebody acting as mentor) but d

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Calvin Spealman
> because if a single core dev won't sign on to help then what chance does the PEP have of being accepted? If this is the justification, then I feel like it is a barrier that could be disassembled, rather than one people need to be granted permission to climb over. I am named on one PEP with two

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs from non-core devs now need a sponsor

2019-03-05 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, Le mar. 5 mars 2019 à 02:53, Brett Cannon a écrit : > The steering council has implemented a new idea called sponsors to the PEP > process (...). The thinking is that to help make sure PEPs from non-core > developers receive appropriate guidance through the PEP process (...) Hum, this isn'

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 2.7.16

2019-03-05 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 04. 03. 19 4:30, Benjamin Peterson wrote: Hello all, I'm pleased to announce the immediate availability of Python 2.7.16 for download at https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2716/. The only change since the release candidate was a fix for the IDLE icon on macOS. See https://bugs.