[Python-Dev] Re: OT: Other fun contribution [was: Python-Announce floods and delays]

2019-07-08 Thread Jonathan Goble
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:35 AM Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Jonathan Goble writes: > > > As for me, I'll continue to lurk and learn as I continue my sophomore > > year as a college student majoring in computer science, with hopes of > > becoming more active in contributing to Python as I gai

[Python-Dev] OT: Other fun contribution [was: Python-Announce floods and delays]

2019-07-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jonathan Goble writes: > As for me, I'll continue to lurk and learn as I continue my sophomore > year as a college student majoring in computer science, with hopes of > becoming more active in contributing to Python as I gain more > experience and skills. Evidently you have ambition to acquir

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Jonathan Goble
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 5:23 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:56, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > Volunteers are welcome! :) > > Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the offers for help. I’ll add everyone who’s > stepped up so far to the list moderators. Yes, you do get a notification > e

[Python-Dev] Re: obmalloc (was Have a big machine and spare time? Here's a possible Python bug.)

2019-07-08 Thread Tim Peters
[Inada Naoki , trying mimalloc] >>> Hmm, it is not good. mimalloc uses MADV_FREE so it may affect to some >>> benchmarks. I will look it later. >> ... >> $ ./python -m pyperf compare_to pymalloc-mem.json mimalloc-mem.json -G >> Slower (60): >> - logging_format: 10.6 MB +- 384.2 kB -> 27.2 MB +-

[Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 3.7.4 is now available

2019-07-08 Thread Ned Deily
Python 3.7.4 is now available. 3.7.4 is the next maintenance release of Python 3.7, the latest feature release of Python. You can find the release files, a link to the changelog, and more information here: https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-374/ See the "What’s New In Python 3.7"

[Python-Dev] Re: [RELEASE] Python 3.8.0b2 is now available for testing

2019-07-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
I’ve updated the official images to include 3.8.0b2: https://gitlab.com/python-devs/ci-images/tree/master Cheers, -Barry > On Jul 4, 2019, at 15:05, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > Signed PGP part > After a few days of delay, but somewhat cutely timed with the US Independence > Day, I present you Pyt

[Python-Dev] Re: Further off-topic: webmaster@ volunteers

2019-07-08 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/08/2019 03:12 PM, Steve Holden wrote: [even further off-topic] While I have the attention of so many community-spirited individuals, I might mention that webmaster@ could do with a few lurkers to get used to the traffic. At present it's solely maintained by Mats Wichmann and me, and I'm

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Steve Holden
[even further off-topic] While I have the attention of so many community-spirited individuals, I might mention that webmaster@ could do with a few lurkers to get used to the traffic. At present it's solely maintained by Mats Wichmann and me, and I'm planning to step back from all PSF duties soon.

[Python-Dev] Re: Removing dead bytecode vs reporting syntax errors

2019-07-08 Thread Pablo Galindo Salgado
>. If it doesn't, could this one optimization be left in the peephole optimizer at bytecode level? Sadly no, because at that time there is not enough information left to do things correctly. The problem manifest with constructs like if something or __debug__: ... You cannot just look at the b

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:56, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Volunteers are welcome! :) Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the offers for help. I’ll add everyone who’s stepped up so far to the list moderators. Yes, you do get a notification every day with a link right to the moderation page. Cheers, -Barry

[Python-Dev] Re: Removing dead bytecode vs reporting syntax errors

2019-07-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:51 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > Hopefully Pablo's proposed solution works. I'm sure it will. > If it doesn't, could this one optimization be left in the peephole > optimizer at bytecode level? Otherwise is another solution to follow > through with > https://discuss.python

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev
On 08.07.2019 23:10, Jonathan Goble wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:56 PM Barry Warsaw mailto:ba...@python.org>> wrote: On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:27, Jonathan Goble mailto:jcgob...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Is there a solution to this that would enable moderators to approve > more frequently?

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Brett Cannon
Fred Drake wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:59 PM Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org... wrote: > > I’m not a super active moderator, but I do have to > > say that it’s so much > > easier to clear the queue now that the list is on Mailman 3. That said, > > it still takes active participation in order t

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/08/2019 12:56 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I’m not a super active moderator, but I do have to say that it’s so much easier to clear the queue now that the list is on Mailman 3. That said, it still takes active participation in order to review held messages. Volunteers are welcome! :) Sign

[Python-Dev] Re: Removing dead bytecode vs reporting syntax errors

2019-07-08 Thread Brett Cannon
Hopefully Pablo's proposed solution works. If it doesn't, could this one optimization be left in the peephole optimizer at bytecode level? Otherwise is another solution to follow through with https://discuss.python.org/t/switch-pythons-parsing-tech-to-something-more-powerful-than-ll-1/379 and s

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 03:27:50PM -0400, Jonathan Goble wrote: > (I don't know the best list to post this to, so if this is not it, > please forgive me and point me in the right direction. Thanks.) > > So my inbox, and probably many of yours, was flooded this afternoon > with a dozen-plus emails

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Jonathan Goble
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:56 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:27, Jonathan Goble wrote: > > > Is there a solution to this that would enable moderators to approve > > more frequently? > > Volunteers are welcome! :) > > -Barry > I'd offer to volunteer, but I am merely a lurker and not

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:59 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > I’m not a super active moderator, but I do have to say that it’s so much > easier to clear the queue now that the list is on Mailman 3. That said, > it still takes active participation in order to review held messages. ... > Volunteers are welc

[Python-Dev] Re: [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 8, 2019, at 12:27, Jonathan Goble wrote: > So my inbox, and probably many of yours, was flooded this afternoon > with a dozen-plus emails from the Python-Announce list. I understand > that this list requires every email to be manually approved by a > moderator. I cleared the queue this mo

[Python-Dev] [Possibly off-topic] Python-Announce floods and delays

2019-07-08 Thread Jonathan Goble
(I don't know the best list to post this to, so if this is not it, please forgive me and point me in the right direction. Thanks.) So my inbox, and probably many of yours, was flooded this afternoon with a dozen-plus emails from the Python-Announce list. I understand that this list requires every

[Python-Dev] Re: Steering Council Update for July 2019

2019-07-08 Thread Simon Cross
Is there a way for people to give input to the challenges facing Python discussion? I'm picturing something like people writing short statements of perceived challenges and submitting them so that the SC has more ideas on its radar. ___ Python-Dev mailing

[Python-Dev] Re: Steering Council Update for July 2019

2019-07-08 Thread Carol Willing
Hi Simon, There are several ways to share constructive feedback. You may email the steering council, file an issue on the public steering council repo, or create a discussion thread on Discourse or python-dev. Thanks! Carol On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Simon Cross wrote: > Is there a way

[Python-Dev] Re: obmalloc (was Have a big machine and spare time? Here's a possible Python bug.)

2019-07-08 Thread Inada Naoki
On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 11:32 PM Inada Naoki wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 8:09 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > Ah, interesting. Were you able to measure the memory footprint as well? > > > > Hmm, it is not good. mimalloc uses MADV_FREE so it may affect to some > benchmarks. I will look it

[Python-Dev] Re: Steering Council Update for July 2019

2019-07-08 Thread Carol Willing
Sorry for the incorrect link. Here is the corrected link: https://github.com/python/steering-council/blob/master/updates/2019-07-08_steering-council-update.md On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Carol Willing wrote: > I've posted an update from the Steering Council to our repo: > https://github.com

[Python-Dev] Steering Council Update for July 2019

2019-07-08 Thread Carol Willing
I've posted an update from the Steering Council to our repo: https://github.com/python/steering-council/blob/master/updates/2019-07-08_steering-council I will also link to this on python-dev and on Discourse (discuss.python.org ). For completeness, below is the full text. # Steering Council U