[Python-Dev] Re: When to remove BytesWarning?

2020-10-26 Thread Inada Naoki
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 5:23 AM Victor Stinner wrote: > > os.get_exec_path() must modify temporarily warnings filters to ignore > BytesWarning when it looks for 'PATH' (unicode) or b'PATH' (bytes) in > the 'env' dictionary which may contain unicode or bytes strings. > Modifying warnings filters im

[Python-Dev] Re: os.scandir bug in Windows?

2020-10-26 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 4:06 PM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:00 AM Greg Ewing > wrote: > > > > On 27/10/20 8:24 am, Victor Stinner wrote: > > > I would > > > rather want to kill the whole concept of "access" time in operating > > > systems (or just configure the OS to not upd

[Python-Dev] Re: Pattern matching reborn: PEP 622 is dead, long live PEP 634, 635, 636

2020-10-26 Thread Tin Tvrtković
Hello, Go channels are indeed very similar to asyncio Queues, with some added features like channels being closable. (There is also special syntax in the select statement, `val, ok <- chan`, that will set the `ok` variable to false if the channel has been closed.) A larger difference, I think, is

[Python-Dev] Re: os.scandir bug in Windows?

2020-10-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:00 AM Greg Ewing wrote: > > On 27/10/20 8:24 am, Victor Stinner wrote: > > I would > > rather want to kill the whole concept of "access" time in operating > > systems (or just configure the OS to not update it anymore). I guess > > that it's really hard to make it effici

[Python-Dev] Re: os.scandir bug in Windows?

2020-10-26 Thread Greg Ewing
On 27/10/20 8:24 am, Victor Stinner wrote: I would rather want to kill the whole concept of "access" time in operating systems (or just configure the OS to not update it anymore). I guess that it's really hard to make it efficient and accurate at the same time... Also it's kind of weird that ju

[Python-Dev] Re: os.scandir bug in Windows?

2020-10-26 Thread Eryk Sun
On 10/26/20, Victor Stinner wrote: > Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 13:50, Steve Dower a écrit > : >> Feel free to file a bug, but we'll likely only add a vague note to the >> docs about how Windows works here rather than changing anything. > > I agree that this surprising behavior can be documented. Att

[Python-Dev] Re: fail keyword like there is pass keyword

2020-10-26 Thread Evpok Padding
`raise NotImplementedError` https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#NotImplementedError I think would be the canonical solution. E On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 20:34, Victor Stinner wrote: > If you use the unittest module, I suggest you to use self.fail() instead: > it is standard. Moreover

[Python-Dev] Re: Macro for logging

2020-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, There is the __debug__ builtin variable which is equal to True by default, but is equal to False when Python is run with the -O command line option. The compiler removes dead code when -O is used. Example: $ cat x.py def func(): if __debug__: print("debug") import dis dis.dis(func) # "

[Python-Dev] Re: fail keyword like there is pass keyword

2020-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
If you use the unittest module, I suggest you to use self.fail() instead: it is standard. Moreover, you can specify a message. https://docs.python.org/dev/library/unittest.html#unittest.TestCase.fail Victor Le ven. 23 oct. 2020 à 21:36, Umair Ashraf a écrit : > Hello > > Can I suggest a feature

[Python-Dev] Re: When to remove BytesWarning?

2020-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
Le sam. 24 oct. 2020 à 15:13, Christian Heimes a écrit : > In my experience it would be useful to keep the bytes warning for > implicit representation of bytes in string formatting. It's still a > common source of issues in code. IMO it's not a big deal to investigate such bugs without the -b / -

[Python-Dev] Re: When to remove BytesWarning?

2020-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, Which operations are impacted by -b and -bb? str == bytes, bytes == str, dict lookup using str or bytes keys? 'unicode' < b'bytes' always raises a TypeError. Le sam. 24 oct. 2020 à 05:20, Inada Naoki a écrit : > To avoid BytesWarning, the compiler needs to do some hack when they > need to st

[Python-Dev] Re: PyPy performance stats (was Re: Speeding up CPython)

2020-10-26 Thread Terry Reedy
On 10/26/2020 11:42 AM, Matti Picus wrote: On 10/21/20 2:38 PM, Matti Picus wrote: [0] https://speed.pypy.org/comparison/ Just as a follow up: the front page of speed.pypy.org now shows the latest pypy 3.6 vs cpython 3.6.7. I just clicked the link and there is 3.7.6, not 3.6.7. But why

[Python-Dev] Re: os.scandir bug in Windows?

2020-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 à 13:50, Steve Dower a écrit : > Feel free to file a bug, but we'll likely only add a vague note to the > docs about how Windows works here rather than changing anything. I agree that this surprising behavior can be documented. Attempting to provide accurate access time in os

[Python-Dev] Re: _PyBytesWriter/_PyUnicodeWriter could be faster

2020-10-26 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, Le dim. 25 oct. 2020 à 15:36, Ma Lin a écrit : > Some code needs to maintain an output buffer that has an unpredictable size. > Such as bz2/lzma/zlib modules, _PyBytesWriter/_PyUnicodeWriter. > > In current code, when the output buffer grows, resizing will cause > unnecessary memcpy(). > >

[Python-Dev] Re: PyPy performance stats (was Re: Speeding up CPython)

2020-10-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 2:42 AM Matti Picus wrote: > > > On 10/21/20 2:38 PM, Matti Picus wrote: > > On 10/21/20 20:42:02 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: > > > >> When I go looking for PyPy performance stats, everything seems to be > >> Python 2.7. Is there anywhere that compares PyPy3 to CPython 3.6

[Python-Dev] Re: PyPy performance stats (was Re: Speeding up CPython)

2020-10-26 Thread Matti Picus
On 10/21/20 2:38 PM, Matti Picus wrote: On 10/21/20 20:42:02 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: When I go looking for PyPy performance stats, everything seems to be Python 2.7. Is there anywhere that compares PyPy3 to CPython 3.6 (or whichever specific version)? Or maybe it's right there on https://s

[Python-Dev] Re: Pattern matching reborn: PEP 622 is dead, long live PEP 634, 635, 636

2020-10-26 Thread Gustavo Carneiro
It's true that asyncio.wait provides the tools that you need, but it's a bit clunky to use correctly. Maybe would be something along the lines of: -- queue1 = asyncio.Queue() queue2 = asyncio.Queue() ... get1 = asyncio.create_task(queue1.get()) get2 = asyncio.create_task(queue2.get()) await a

[Python-Dev] Re: When to remove BytesWarning?

2020-10-26 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
24.10.20 06:19, Inada Naoki пише: > To avoid BytesWarning, the compiler needs to do some hack when they > need to store bytes and str constants in one dict or set. > BytesWarning has maintenance costs. It is not huge, but significant. > > When can we remove it? My idea is: > > 3.10: Deprecate the

[Python-Dev] Re: When to remove BytesWarning?

2020-10-26 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
26.10.20 10:10, Inada Naoki пише: > Of course, there are some runtime costs too. > > https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/fb5db7ec58624cab0797b4050735be865d380823/Modules/_functoolsmodule.c#L802 > https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/fb5db7ec58624cab0797b4050735be865d380823/Objects/codeobject.

[Python-Dev] Re: When to remove BytesWarning?

2020-10-26 Thread Inada Naoki
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 4:35 PM Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Christian Heimes wrote: >> >> In my experience it would be useful to keep the bytes warning for >> implicit representation of bytes in string formatting. It's still a >> common source of issues in code. > >

[Python-Dev] Re: When to remove BytesWarning?

2020-10-26 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Christian Heimes wrote: > > > In my experience it would be useful to keep the bytes warning for > implicit representation of bytes in string formatting. It's still a > common source of issues in code. > I am with Christian here. Still notice a possibility of peopl