[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 at 03:15, Tim Peters wrote: > You think Steven was indirectly accusing you of unethical behavior > (trolling for StackOverflow upvotes)?. That's not the sense I got from > his original reply, but I can understand it if you did. If that's your > complaint, I'll leave it to

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Marco Sulla ] > I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I > meant. Amazingly enough, the truth value of a proposition does not increase via repetition ;-) >>> bool(True * 1_000_000_000) True >>> bool(False * 1_000_000_000) False > But let me do a very rude example: >

[Python-Dev] Re: Making code object APIs unstable

2021-08-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 4:56 AM Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 13.08.21 20:24, Guido van Rossum пише: > > If these weren't part of the stable ABI, I'd choose (E). But because > > they are, I think only (A) or (B) are our options. The problem with (C) > > is that if there's code that links to them but

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread MRAB
On 2021-08-15 22:50, Marco Sulla wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense of it. By

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 7:56 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters > wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what > > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint > > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
I make an example: what if I said to you that you want, with your response, only endear Tim? Is it for you sarcastic or a subtle insinuation? ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:58, Irit Katriel wrote: > The reality, Marco, is that this list is for discussions about python > development, not for seeking help with understanding python. > It is not appropriate to "ask for help" on this list, and you are not > entitled to a reply within X working

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Irit Katriel via Python-Dev
This is the source of this whole misunderstanding: On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 9:34 PM Marco Sulla wrote: > > I asked for help, because I didn't know __nothing__ about what Monica > replied to me in the SO answer. And you say to me my post seems spam? > > [snipped] > And you continue to mark my

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make _any_ sense > of it. By my count, this is at least the second

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Marco Sulla ] > It's the Netiquette, Chris. It's older than Internet. It's a gross > violation of the Netiquette remarking grammatical or syntactical > errors. I think that also the least advanced AI will understand what I > meant. As multiple people have said now, including me, they had no idea

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:12, Tim Peters wrote: > > [Marco Sulla ] > > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > > have understood it. > > Sincerely, I have no idea what "I pretend your immediate excuses." > means, in or out of context. > > > Remarking grammatical

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
It's the Netiquette, Chris. It's older than Internet. It's a gross violation of the Netiquette remarking grammatical or syntactical errors. I think that also the least advanced AI will understand what I meant. I think anyway that now the sense of my request is __very clear__. I ask the

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Marco Sulla ] > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > have understood it. Sincerely, I have no idea what "I pretend your immediate excuses." means, in or out of context. > Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation > of the Netiquette. I ask

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > As Chris implied, the second 'sentence' is not grammatical English > > Oh, this is enough. The sense of the phrase was very clear and you all > have understood it. Remarking grammatical errors is a gross violation > of the Netiquette. I ask

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
Furthermore, I have 13k points of reputation on SO. They are also too much for me. I don't need dirty tricks to raise them. So I __pretend__ excuses from Steven, if it is a man. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 21:30, Terry Reedy wrote: I opened the bug https://bugs.python.org/issue44921 . Anyway, this does not change the insinuation I got here. > In any case, drop this tread, which started off wrongly. This thread will be dropped when Steven will give me the excuses for the

[Python-Dev] Re: Making code object APIs unstable

2021-08-15 Thread Jim J. Jewett
Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: > > On 8/13/2021 1:24 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm actually not sure what use case you're talking about. "source/code that hadn't actually changed and was just being re-compiled and run". I've

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Terry Reedy
SUMMARY: If you, Marco, want to get dicts subclasses made faster and you seriously think that they can be, open a proper issue on bugs.python.org., as I describe in 3 below. In any case, drop this tread, which started off wrongly. August 6, in response to the weekly post, Summary of Python

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:24 AM Marco Sulla wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow > > This is unacceptable. I pretend your immediate excuses. > ? I don't understand this, what do you mean? ChrisA

[Python-Dev] Re: Problems with dict subclassing performance

2021-08-15 Thread Marco Sulla
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 12:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Are you looking for upvotes on StackOverflow This is unacceptable. I pretend your immediate excuses. ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to