On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 4:44 PM Nick Coghlan wrote:
> [...]
> A cloning-with-replacement API that accepted the base code object and the
> "safe to modify" fields could be a good complement to the API deprecation
> proposal.
>
Yes (I forgot to mention that).
> Moving actual "from scratch" code
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 4:30 am Guido van Rossum, wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 9:30 AM Steve Dower
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/16/2021 12:47 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> > My current proposal is to issue a DeprecationWarning in PyCode_New()
>> and
>> > PyCode_NewWithPosArgs(), which can be turned
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Jonathan Goble wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 4:04 PM Nathan C. Fox
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, it was intended to go to python-dev, even though it's not about
>> Python development. It's part of a discussion about a pretty hostile and
>> off-topic thread that has
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 4:04 PM Nathan C. Fox
wrote:
> Yes, it was intended to go to python-dev, even though it's not about
> Python development. It's part of a discussion about a pretty hostile and
> off-topic thread that has unfolded over the last week on this mailing list.
>
Brett's original
Yes, it was intended to go to python-dev, even though it's not about Python
development. It's part of a discussion about a pretty hostile and off-topic
thread that has unfolded over the last week on this mailing list.
Was this post intended to go to python-dev or...?
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 9:53 AM Brett Cannon wrote:
>
> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/JRFJ4QH7TR35HFRQWOYPPCGOYRFAXK24/
>
> I can't be objective with Marco as I believe we have recorded issues with him
>
I can agree with the general premise of what Antoine is saying, but to me
even as a non-participant, the following quote from the thread Brett linked
seems a clear CoC violation:
I repeat, even the worst AI will understand from the context what I meant.
> But let me do a very rude example:
>
>
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 9:30 AM Steve Dower wrote:
> On 8/16/2021 12:47 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > My current proposal is to issue a DeprecationWarning in PyCode_New() and
> > PyCode_NewWithPosArgs(), which can be turned into an error using a
> > command-line flag. If it's made an error, we
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:47:13 -0700
Brett Cannon wrote:
> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/JRFJ4QH7TR35HFRQWOYPPCGOYRFAXK24/
>
> I can't be objective with Marco as I believe we have recorded issues with
> him previously (as with Steven if you take Marco's initial
On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 2:55 PM Marco Sulla
wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 23:33, Tim Peters
> wrote:ople have said now, including me, they had no idea what
> > you meant.by "I pretend your immediate excuses". It's not a complaint
> > that it's expressed inelegantly, but that they can't make
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/JRFJ4QH7TR35HFRQWOYPPCGOYRFAXK24/
I can't be objective with Marco as I believe we have recorded issues with
him previously (as with Steven if you take Marco's initial side with this).
The thing that pushed me over the edge to
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 8:01 PM Nick Coghlan wrote:
> Bringing the public record up to date with a brief off-list discussion
> between Mark, Nathaniel and I:
>
> * Mark hasn't convinced me that getting rid of the frame value cache
> entirely for optimised frames is a good idea, so he's going to
On 8/16/2021 12:47 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
My current proposal is to issue a DeprecationWarning in PyCode_New() and
PyCode_NewWithPosArgs(), which can be turned into an error using a
command-line flag. If it's made an error, we effectively have (B); by
default, we have (A).
Then in 3.13
On 06/08/2021 20:29, Marco Sulla wrote:
I've done an answer on SO about why subclassing `dict` makes the
subclass so much slower than `dict`. The answer is interesting:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59912147/why-does-subclassing-in-python-slow-things-down-so-much
What do you think
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 5:44 PM Federico Salerno wrote:
>
> "Pretendere" in Italian means "to demand", it's a false friend with the
> English "pretend". I don't know whether Marco is Italian (the false
> friend might also be there between Spanish or whatever other romance
> language he speaks and
On 16/08/2021 08:41, Federico Salerno wrote:
"Pretendere" in Italian means "to demand", it's a false friend with
the English "pretend". I don't know whether Marco is Italian (the
false friend might also be there between Spanish or whatever other
romance language he speaks and English, for all
"Pretendere" in Italian means "to demand", it's a false friend with the
English "pretend". I don't know whether Marco is Italian (the false
friend might also be there between Spanish or whatever other romance
language he speaks and English, for all I know). From a native Italian
speaker's
I also haven't the faintest idea what might be intended by the phrase "I
pretend your immediate excuses".
But whatever the intention, it is clear Marco has veered off into angry
ranting territory. Him taking a couple weeks away from this list would be
an extremely good idea.
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