Re: [Python-Dev] "setuptools has divided the Python community"

2009-03-25 Thread Jeff Hall
Someone asked for the input of "ordinary users" (i.e. non developers) which, unfortunately, most of the people on this list don't fall in. My experience with setuptools is that it's poorly documented and assumes a level of sophistication that isn't always there. While this is fine in a lot of arena

Re: [Python-Dev] Challenge: Please break this! [Now with blog post]

2009-02-24 Thread Jeff Hall
I didn't see Tav actually say this but are we all agreed that compile() should be removed from __builtins__? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/

Re: [Python-Dev] A suggestion: Do proto-PEPs in Google Docs

2009-02-20 Thread Jeff Hall
> Not that I'm expecting to be working on PEPs any time soon, but just as a > different perspective, I would find the effort to open up Google docs to > be a much higher barrier to doing some editing tweaks than the dvcs case. > For the DVCS, I'd just write a little script that would (1) update (2)

Re: [Python-Dev] Help! Vista symlinks and IDLE

2009-01-18 Thread Jeff Hall
I'm glad someone sent this out... I was having this EXACT problem today I've got it installed on my wife's computer and I'm certain that it worked when I first installed 3.0a but it stopped working (I didn't update Python but my wife has done several Vista security updates)... Hopefully, that will

Re: [Python-Dev] A wart which should have been repaired in 3.0?

2008-12-29 Thread Jeff Hall
I was thinking that the user could just define the delimiter character due to the differences amongst delimiters used in OS's... but if that isn't a problem (Skip seemed to think it wouldn't be) then my solution is functionally identical to the first one he proposed

Re: [Python-Dev] A wart which should have been repaired in 3.0?

2008-12-29 Thread Jeff Hall
I think Nick's solution is "Don't let the best be the enemy of the good" Had this been caught before 3.0 release it might be a different solution Let's just add a new function that works "correctly" Martin, it seems to me that a path. method shouldn't require me to pass path components but inste

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb alternative (was Re: [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0)

2008-09-04 Thread Jeff Hall
never mind about the limit... I was thinking SQL Express On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jeff Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doesn't SQLlite still have a 4gb cap? > > I'd personally prefer an open source solution (if that's Berkeley so be it > but there&#x

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb alternative (was Re: [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0)

2008-09-04 Thread Jeff Hall
Doesn't SQLlite still have a 4gb cap? I'd personally prefer an open source solution (if that's Berkeley so be it but there's plenty out there... MySQL for one) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Documentation Error for __hash__

2008-08-28 Thread Jeff Hall
I'm not sure about the first but as for the __reversed__ we had a discussion yesterday and it was indeed added in 2.4 (oddly, my 2.5 documentation has this correct... ) -- Haikus are easy Most make very little sense Refrigerator ___ Python-Dev mailing li

Re: [Python-Dev] Confusing listreverseiterator Behavior

2008-08-26 Thread Jeff Hall
I realized after I fired off my response that this was still bugging me... it appears that the documentation is incorrect from 2.1 Built-in Functions (v2.5 in case it matters... a quick search of bugs doesn't seem to show anything though) *reversed*( seq) Return a reverse iterator. seq must be a

Re: [Python-Dev] Confusing listreverseiterator Behavior

2008-08-26 Thread Jeff Hall
Unless I'm misconstruing something the problem is that reversed returns two different object types depending on if it's a list or a tuple >>> l = [1,2,3,4] >>> i = iter(l) >>> ri = reversed(l) >>> l [1, 2, 3, 4] >>> ri >>> i >>> t = (1,2,3,4) >>> it = iter(t) >>> rit = reversed(t) >>> it >>> ri

Re: [Python-Dev] urllib.quote and unquote - Unicode issues

2008-07-31 Thread Jeff Hall
> > > quote_from_bytes = quote >> > > So either name can be used on either input type, with the idea being that > you should use quote on a str, and quote_from_bytes on a bytes. Is this a > good idea or should it be rewritten so each function permits only one input > type? > > so you can use quote_

Re: [Python-Dev] urllib.quote and unquote - Unicode issues

2008-07-30 Thread Jeff Hall
> > > (Aside: I dislike functions that have a different return type based on > the value of a parameter.) > > I wanted to stay out of the whole discussion as it's largely over my head... But I did want to express support for this idea which I think almost rises to the level of a standard... I see m

Re: [Python-Dev] repeated keyword arguments

2008-06-27 Thread Jeff Hall
oops... baby jumped in my lap... i pretty much said it all though... I think the error of the software functioning incorrectly may necessitate the patch... I certainly understand Guido's concern, however. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] repeated keyword arguments

2008-06-27 Thread Jeff Hall
That's all fine and good but in this case there may be "stealth errors". If the user/programmer is expecting the first value to hold but instead On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [Python-Dev] Community buildbots and Python release quality metrics

2008-06-26 Thread Jeff Hall
To me (and I'm an outsider not a direct developer), it's Python developers responsibility to handle the Python problems and the Python build bots. The community build bots are the responsibility of their authors. If JP is handling the Twisted one then great. It's got a gatekeeper. If no one is hand

Re: [Python-Dev] C API for gc.enable() and gc.disable()

2008-06-25 Thread Jeff Hall
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:55 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems to me that the root problem is allocation spikes of legitimate, > > useful data. Perhaps then we need some sort of "test" to determine if > > those are legitimate. Perhaps checking every nth (with n decreasi

Re: [Python-Dev] C API for gc.enable() and gc.disable()

2008-06-25 Thread Jeff Hall
It seems to me that the root problem is allocation spikes of legitimate, useful data. Perhaps then we need some sort of "test" to determine if those are legitimate. Perhaps checking every nth (with n decreasing as allocation bytes increases) object allocated during a "spike" could be useful. Then d

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r62916 - sandbox/trunk/release/release.py

2008-05-09 Thread Jeff Hall
I think a better "stump the guido" would be to just have people write the most convoluted things for simple processes and see how minimalist he could make the final code... I think we could have some fun with this ;) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8: Discourage named lambdas?

2008-05-02 Thread Jeff Hall
+1 For what it's worth from a newbie ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com