Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-19 Thread Josiah Carlson
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Greg Ewing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josiah Carlson wrote: It's entirely possible that I know very little about what was being made available via the bsddb module, but to match the API of what is included in the documentation (plus the dictionary interface that

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-19 Thread Josiah Carlson
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Josiah Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Greg Ewing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josiah Carlson wrote: It's entirely possible that I know very little about what was being made available via the bsddb module, but to match the API of

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: bsddb is in a very bad

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Josiah Carlson
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Josiah Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Invariably, when someone goes and removes a module, someone else is going to complain, but I used feature X, not having feature X will break my code. We, as maintainers can then say, if you cared, maintain it. But I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Josiah Carlson
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Josiah Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Invariably, when someone goes and removes a module, someone else is going to complain, but I used feature X, not having feature X will break my

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Fred Drake
On Jul 18, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Josiah Carlson wrote: It's entirely possible that I know very little about what was being made available via the bsddb module, but to match the API of what is included in the documentation (plus the dictionary interface that it supports) shouldn't be terribly

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
Fred Drake wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Josiah Carlson wrote: It's entirely possible that I know very little about what was being made available via the bsddb module, but to match the API of what is included in the documentation (plus the dictionary interface that it supports) shouldn't

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:32 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: We can obviously drop the module for 3.0. For 2.x, should we just shrug and disable most of the BerkeleyDB tests (maybe just on Windows) by adding a new resource to enable them? If we're stuck

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nick Coghlan writes: And downloading pybsddb and installing really shouldn't be all that difficult :) It shouldn't be, but lots of enterprise[1] environments will require qualifying the new package according to corporate standards. I won't argue that this is a sufficient reason to keep a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Charles Hixson
On Friday 18 July 2008 07:57:01 am Josiah Carlson wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2008-07-18 21:35, Charles Hixson wrote: Invariably, when someone goes and removes a module, someone else is going to complain, but I used feature X, not having feature X will break my code. We, as maintainers can then say, if you cared, maintain it. But I'm not sure that is the greatest

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brett Cannon wrote: | On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: | bsddb is in a very bad

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-18 Thread Greg Ewing
Josiah Carlson wrote: It's entirely possible that I know very little about what was being made available via the bsddb module, but to match the API of what is included in the documentation (plus the dictionary interface that it supports) shouldn't be terribly difficult. Maybe for new

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3375: Guido (thanks guido) looked into this, and while I banged my head on it a lot yesterday - guido's identified the issue, and now I need to figure out a fix - help is welcome on this one. You're welcome. I would have

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3375: Guido (thanks guido) looked into this, and while I banged my head on it a lot yesterday - guido's identified the issue, and now I need to

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3375: Guido (thanks guido) looked into this, and while I banged my head on

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Bill Janssen
test_ssl ... constantly failing on both the trunk and py3k. I'll take a closer look at this. It's the new test added in lately. Seems to be working on non-Windows platforms, so I'm guessing it's some Windows oddity, which I'm not very good at diagnosing. Worst comes to worst, we can take

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: bsddb is in a very bad shape, as the 2.6 code hasn't been merged into 3k. I somewhat doubt that this gets resolved before the release, so bsddb users might need to skip

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: bsddb is in a very bad shape, as the 2.6 code hasn't been merged

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] No beta2 tonight

2008-07-17 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: bsddb is in a very bad shape, as the 2.6 code hasn't been merged into 3k. I somewhat doubt that