Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-27 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> (unless a complete working solution is presented in that other >> technology, and as long as that other technology still creates MSI >> files with free-as-in-beer tools). > > Just out of interest, what's the reason for enforcing that the > installer must be an MSI? Or, rather, if I were to pre

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-27 Thread Trent Nelson
> (unless a complete working solution is presented in that other technology, > and as long as that other technology still creates MSI files with > free-as-in-beer tools). Just out of interest, what's the reason for enforcing that the installer must be an MSI? Or, rather, if I were to present an

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> What do you think? Feel free to try it out. I'm skeptical that it will be a better overall solution than the current one - the main difference would be that, rather than me being the only one who can realistically change the packaging chain, it would be you who is the only one - which, in prin

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> No, I still haven't found a solution. I do want to use the merge >> module; anything else probably isn't going to work. > > Da...ng > Didn't you prepare a new MSI installer for 3.0a2 that includes the VS > Redist MSM for X86? I vaguely remember that you've replaced my installer > with a new one

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> My problem is still getting my head > around various MSI issues at any level (eg, bdist_msi needs some tweaking to > allow for different releases of the same "package" to be recognized as such, > but I'm not sure what MSI concept I'm dealing with yet...) Don't hesitate to ask here. Not sure what

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-26 Thread Mark Hammond
> Martin v. Löwis wrote: > > I've looked at it, and I seriously doubt that. In WiX, you need to > > specify a fixed file list (perhaps with wildcards; I'm unsure). This > > will be tricky for Python, where the list of files to be installed > > changes all the time. > > > > You *need* to have a turi

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Christian Heimes
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > I've looked at it, and I seriously doubt that. In WiX, you need to > specify a fixed file list (perhaps with wildcards; I'm unsure). This > will be tricky for Python, where the list of files to be installed > changes all the time. > > You *need* to have a turing-complete pa

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Christian Heimes
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > No, I still haven't found a solution. I do want to use the merge > module; anything else probably isn't going to work. Da...ng Didn't you prepare a new MSI installer for 3.0a2 that includes the VS Redist MSM for X86? I vaguely remember that you've replaced my installer wit

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080225 23:03], "Martin v. Löwis" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >No, I still haven't found a solution. I do want to use the merge >module; anything else probably isn't going to work. I updated the ticket with some links to how to approach this issue. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmoda

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> On the one hand a XML based MSI generator could be easier to maintain. I've looked at it, and I seriously doubt that. In WiX, you need to specify a fixed file list (perhaps with wildcards; I'm unsure). This will be tricky for Python, where the list of files to be installed changes all the time.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> For the MSI installers you also need Python 2.5, your pywin32 package >> and some additional tools like the help compiler and cabarc.exe. > > Have you looked at http://wix.sourceforge.net/ ? Yes. Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Have you solved the problem with the VS CRT redist > (http://bugs.python.org/issue1569)? Maybe Mark is able to assist you. No, I still haven't found a solution. I do want to use the merge module; anything else probably isn't going to work. Regards, Martin ___

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 24, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> It very well might. See Christian Heimes's follow up re: Windows >> builds. OTOH, I'm okay if at least for the alphas, the binary >> builds lag behind the source releases, though I'd like

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Michael Foord
Christian Heimes wrote: > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > >> Have you looked at http://wix.sourceforge.net/ ? >> > > WiX looks interesting but I'm neither in the position to change the > installer nor do I have a strong opinion. It's Martin's area of expertise. > > On the one hand a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Christian Heimes
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > Have you looked at http://wix.sourceforge.net/ ? WiX looks interesting but I'm neither in the position to change the installer nor do I have a strong opinion. It's Martin's area of expertise. On the one hand a XML based MSI generator could be easier to maint

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080225 16:02], Christian Heimes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >For the MSI installers you also need Python 2.5, your pywin32 package >and some additional tools like the help compiler and cabarc.exe. Have you looked at http://wix.sourceforge.net/ ? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-25 Thread Christian Heimes
Mark Hammond wrote: > Me too - I still regularly build the svn version of Python, and although I > don't regularly turn them into .MSI files, I'm confident I could learn how to > do that ;) I understand that over time the binary process will need some > tweaking, but in the general case, I expe

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-24 Thread Mark Hammond
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven: > -On [20080224 19:57], "Martin v. Lwis" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >I can continue to provide Windows binaries if desired. > > If need be, I can help testing the build infrastructure since I have > access > to various releases of Visual Studio as well. Me too - I

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-24 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080224 19:57], "Martin v. Löwis" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >I can continue to provide Windows binaries if desired. If need be, I can help testing the build infrastructure since I have access to various releases of Visual Studio as well. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai イェルーン ラ

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-24 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> It very well might. See Christian Heimes's follow up re: Windows > builds. OTOH, I'm okay if at least for the alphas, the binary builds > lag behind the source releases, though I'd like to get the process as > streamlined as possible. I can continue to provide Windows binaries if desired

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I've volunteered to be the release manager for Python 2.6 and 3.0. >> It's been several years since I've RM'd a Python release, and I'm >> happy to do it again (he says while the m

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-23 Thread Neal Norwitz
+1 to everything -- n On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone, > > I've volunteered to be the release manager for Python 2.6 and 3.0. > It's been several years since I've RM'd a Python release, a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Python 2.6 and 3.0

2008-02-22 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone, > > I've volunteered to be the release manager for Python 2.6 and 3.0. > It's been several years since I've RM'd a Python release, and I'm > happy to do i