Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices

2011-03-21 Thread Nadeem Vawda
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Nadeem Vawda wrote: >> [snip] > > Since you'll be adding new IP to Python, the new code you write should > contain your copyright and the standard PSF contributor agreement > notice, e.g. > > """ > (c) Copyright 2011 by Nadeem Vawda. Licensed

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices

2011-03-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:20:59 +0100 "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > Nadeem Vawda wrote: > > I was wondering what the policy is regarding copyright notices and license > > boilerplate text at the top of source files. > > > > I am currently rewriting the bz2 module (see > > http://bugs.python.org/issue586

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices

2011-03-21 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Nadeem Vawda wrote: > I was wondering what the policy is regarding copyright notices and license > boilerplate text at the top of source files. > > I am currently rewriting the bz2 module (see > http://bugs.python.org/issue5863), > splitting the existing Modules/bz2module.c into Modules/_bz2modul

[Python-Dev] Copyright notices

2011-03-14 Thread Nadeem Vawda
I was wondering what the policy is regarding copyright notices and license boilerplate text at the top of source files. I am currently rewriting the bz2 module (see http://bugs.python.org/issue5863), splitting the existing Modules/bz2module.c into Modules/_bz2module.c and Lib/bz2.py. Are new file

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> 2009/1/20 Raymond Hettinger : >>> >>> I'm at a loss of why the notice needs to be there at all. >> >> There's a difference between contributing a whole file and >> contributing a patch. Patches do not require copy

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Terry Reedy
Guido van Rossum wrote: 2009/1/20 Raymond Hettinger : I'm at a loss of why the notice needs to be there at all. There's a difference between contributing a whole file and contributing a patch. Patches do not require copyright notices. Whole files do. This is not affected by later edits to the

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
I would be all for cleaning up, if the lawyers agree, but I've spent enough time talking to lawyers for the rest of my life. You know where to reach Van Lindberg. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > > [Raymond Hettinger] >>> >>> I'm at a loss of why the notice needs to be

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Raymond Hettinger] I'm at a loss of why the notice needs to be there at all. [GvR] There's a difference between contributing a whole file and contributing a patch. Patches do not require copyright notices. Whole files do. This is not affected by later edits to the file. That makes sense.

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
2009/1/20 Raymond Hettinger : > I'm at a loss of why the notice needs to be there at all. There's a difference between contributing a whole file and contributing a patch. Patches do not require copyright notices. Whole files do. This is not affected by later edits to the file. > AFAICT, we've > h

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > [Terry Reedy] >> >> Bottom line to me. The current notion of copyright does not work too well >> with evolving, loosely collective works (which eventually become >> 'folklore'). > > I'm at a loss of why the notice needs to be there at al

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Terry Reedy] Bottom line to me. The current notion of copyright does not work too well with evolving, loosely collective works (which eventually become 'folklore'). I'm at a loss of why the notice needs to be there at all. AFAICT, we've had tons of contributions from googlers and only one h

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2009-01-20 16:54, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg writes: > > On 2009-01-20 11:02, Michael Foord wrote: > > > > Mere collections of facts are not copyrightable as they are not > > > creative (the basis of copyright) > > That's incorrect in the U.S.; what is copyrightable is an *o

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Terry Reedy
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2009-01-20 00:56, Raymond Hettinger wrote: Why does numbers.py say: # Copyright 2007 Google, Inc. All Rights Reserved. # Licensed to PSF under a Contributor Agreement. Because that's where that file originated, I guess. This is part of what you have to do for thi

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Foord
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: M.-A. Lemburg writes: > On 2009-01-20 11:02, Michael Foord wrote: > > Mere collections of facts are not copyrightable as they are not > > creative (the basis of copyright) That's incorrect in the U.S.; what is copyrightable is an *original work of expression fixed

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
M.-A. Lemburg writes: > On 2009-01-20 11:02, Michael Foord wrote: > > Mere collections of facts are not copyrightable as they are not > > creative (the basis of copyright) That's incorrect in the U.S.; what is copyrightable is an *original work of expression fixed in some medium*. "Original"

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2009-01-20 11:02, Michael Foord wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> [snip...] >> >>> Does the copyright concept even apply to an >>> abstract base class (I thought APIs were not >>> subject to copyright, just like database layouts >>> and language definitions)? >>> >> >> It applies to the wr

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Foord
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: [snip...] Does the copyright concept even apply to an abstract base class (I thought APIs were not subject to copyright, just like database layouts and language definitions)? It applies to the written program text. You are probably thinking about other IP rights su

Re: [Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-20 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2009-01-20 00:56, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Why does numbers.py say: > ># Copyright 2007 Google, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ># Licensed to PSF under a Contributor Agreement. Because that's where that file originated, I guess. This is part of what you have to do for things that are lice

[Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Raymond Hettinger writes: > Does the copyright concept even apply to an abstract base class (I > thought APIs were not subject to copyright, just like database > layouts and language definitions)? Yes, it does, although a public API per se is not subject to copyright, because there's only one

[Python-Dev] Copyright notices in modules

2009-01-19 Thread Raymond Hettinger
Why does numbers.py say: # Copyright 2007 Google, Inc. All Rights Reserved. # Licensed to PSF under a Contributor Agreement. Weren't there multiple contributors including non-google people? Does Google want to be associated with code that was submitted with no tests? Do we want this sort