Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 14 January 2018 at 03:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > Hi, > > PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have > virtual environment support in Python. Ian Bicking had just

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-14 04:16, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > >> These days a lot of packages are using setuptools' entry points to >> create console scripts. Entry point have no option to create a console >> script with -s or -I flag. On

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Jan 13, 2018 9:08 AM, "Christian Heimes" wrote: Hi, PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. I didn't know I had you to thank for this! Thanks Christian! This is one of the best features

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > These days a lot of packages are using setuptools' entry points to > create console scripts. Entry point have no option to create a console > script with -s or -I flag. On my system, only 40 out of 360 scripts in >

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Jan 13, 2018, at 11:12, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > We would very much like to see --user the default rather than having it > removed. Very much +1. In Debian/Ubuntu we’ve carried patches to do exactly that for years, and I think our users have been very happy about it.

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

anuary 13, 2018 12:06 PM > > To: python-dev@python.org > > Subject: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory? > > > > Hi, > > > > PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > > decade and two days ago for

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

. > -Original Message- > From: Python-Dev [mailto:python-dev-bounces+tritium- > list=sdamon@python.org] On Behalf Of Christian Heimes > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:06 PM > To: python-dev@python.org > Subject: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 09:00:07PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > You'd be surprised how many tools and programs are using Python these > days. You can easily break important user programs by installing a > package with --user. Or by writing a Python script and innocently giving it the same

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

Hi all, I'm a user who decided to read the mailing list and respond to argue against and maybe stop things I don't think will help users as much as you think.I think deprecating user site-packages is such a change. That venvs exist doesn't mean most or even many people use them, even though I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

, 2018 4:09 To: python-dev@python.org Subject: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory? Hi, PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have virtual environment support in Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 21:06:19 +0100 Christian Heimes wrote: > >> > >> I see two option: > >> > >> 1) "pip install --user" is no longer supported. You have to learn how to > >> use virtual envs. It's really easy: "python3 -m venv path; path/bin/pip > >> install package". > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 09:00:07PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018-01-13 20:08, Oleg Broytman wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 06:06:16PM +0100, Christian Heimes > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-13 19:57, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:18:41 +0100 > Christian Heimes wrote: >> On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: Hi, PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted.

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, 11:13 Miro Hrončok, wrote: > On 13.1.2018 18:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > > Nowadays Python has venv in the standard library. The user-specific > > site-packages directory is no longer that useful. I would even say it's > > causing more trouble than

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-13 20:08, Oleg Broytman wrote: > Hi! > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 06:06:16PM +0100, Christian Heimes > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one >> decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 07:18:41PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > >> decade and

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

Hi! On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 06:06:16PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: > Hi, > > PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have > virtual environment support in Python. Ian

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

Hello, On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:18:41 +0100 Christian Heimes wrote: [] > >> Nowadays Python has venv in the standard library. The user-specific > >> site-packages directory is no longer that useful. I would even say > >> it's causing more trouble than it's worth. For

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 13.1.2018 18:06, Christian Heimes wrote: Nowadays Python has venv in the standard library. The user-specific site-packages directory is no longer that useful. I would even say it's causing more trouble than it's worth. For example it's common for system script to use "#!/usr/bin/python3"

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:18:41 +0100 Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > >> decade and two

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On 2018-01-13 19:04, Random832 wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: >> Hi, >> >> PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one >> decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have >> virtual environment support in

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018, at 12:06, Christian Heimes wrote: > Hi, > > PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one > decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have > virtual environment support in Python. Ian Bicking had just started to > create

[Python-Dev] Deprecate PEP 370 Per user site-packages directory?

Hi, PEP 370 [1] was my first PEP that got accepted. I created it exactly one decade and two days ago for Python 2.6 and 3.0. Back then we didn't have virtual environment support in Python. Ian Bicking had just started to create the virtualenv project a couple of months earlier. Fast forward 10