On 9/6/2013 10:22 AM, Dan Callahan wrote:
On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
Python infrastructure support :).
Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona signin, and I spoke at PyCon
earlier this year regarding why and how Mozilla is building
Ok, can this discussion go off python-dev, please? This has been
terribly off-topic for a long time (arguably from the beginning,
actually).
Thank you
Antoine.
Le Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:21:28 -0700,
Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com a écrit :
On 9/6/2013 10:22 AM, Dan Callahan wrote:
On
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Am 05.09.13 19:31, schrieb Jesus Cea:
What are you using?. bugs.python.org admins could share some data?
Most users use one of the large services:
https://www.google.com 3326
https://login.launchpad.net 335
https://*.myopenid.com 253
Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another one by Donald
Stufft.)
(Come to think of it, what's the point of having an Unbub link in ever
message that goes out?)
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Glenn
On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another one by Donald
Stufft.)
(Come to think of it, what's the point of having an Unbub
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:28:25AM -0400, Donald Stufft
donald.stu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and
On Sep 10, 2013, at 08:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another one by Donald
Stufft.)
This is way off topic, but I suspect your original response didn't trim your
On 9/10/2013 8:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that
tries to unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another
one by Donald Stufft.)
Seems to be in all of them. Probably added by the mailing list software.
Why don't you
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote:
Sorry, Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc., are not acceptable OpenID
providers for me. I should have made that point in my original email.
My excuses.
Any other suggestion?
As Barry mentioned earlier, launchpad.net. Look for the
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On 06/09/13 21:34, R. David Murray wrote:
Note that I said that single signon *itself* was overrated. If you
use the same token to authenticate to multiple sites (and here the
'token' is the email address) then your identities on those sites
are
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:39:11AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com
wrote:
So OpenID fails as a truly generic SSO method across sites on the
internet... what have we found it good for then? SSO within our site.
I.e., OpenID could be good for core developers (using @python.org
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 09:46:58PM +0400, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:39:11AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi
a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
So OpenID fails as a truly generic SSO method across sites on the
internet... what have we found it good for then? SSO within
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Barry Warsaw writes:
We're open source, and I think it benefits our mission to support open,
decentralized, and free systems like OpenID and Persona.
Thus speaks an employee of yet another
On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
Python infrastructure support :).
Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona signin, and I spoke at PyCon earlier
this year regarding why and how Mozilla is building Persona. If you'd
like some more
On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:11 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
IMO, single signon is overrated. Especially if one prefers not to make
it easy for various accounts to be automatically associated with one
another by various entities who shall remain nameless but have been in
the
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:53:00 -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Dan Callahan dcalla...@mozilla.com wrote:
On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
Python infrastructure support :).
Hi, I'm the
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:17:12 -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:11 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
IMO, single signon is overrated. Especially if one prefers not to make
it easy for various accounts to be automatically associated with one
On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Dan Callahan dcalla...@mozilla.com wrote:
On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
Python infrastructure support :).
Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona signin, and I spoke at PyCon earlier this
year regarding
On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:34 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:17:12 -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:11 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
IMO, single signon is overrated. Especially if one prefers not to make
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 07:31:59PM +0200, Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote:
I just received an email from my OpenID provider, myOpenID, saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:16:29PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
I used to use myOpenID and became my own provider using poit[1].
These days I seldom use OpenID -- there are too few sites that allow
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On Sep 05, 2013, at 07:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
I just received an email from my OpenID provider, myOpenID, saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows.
What are you
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:16:29PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
I used to use myOpenID and became my own provider using poit[1].
These days I
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 07:31:59PM +0200, Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote:
I just received an email from my OpenID provider, myOpenID, saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows.
What are you using?.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote:
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I just received an email from my OpenID provider, myOpenID, saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are used by other python-dev
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my so humble opinion.
Oleg.
--
Oleg
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:31:59 +0200
Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote:
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I just received an email from my OpenID provider, myOpenID, saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are used by other python-dev
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:53:43PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
This probably isn't the only application of these technologies, but I've
always thought about OAuth as delegating authority to scripts and programs to
act on your behalf. For example, you can write a script to interact with
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:50:44 -0400
Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
OpenID lived a
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my so humble opinion.
I don't think there's
On Sep 05, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Sortof The way OAuth looks to me, it's designed to prove that a given
client is authorized to perform an action. It's not designed to prove that
the given client is a specific person. In some cases, you really want to
know the latter and
On Sep 05, 2013, at 09:07 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Which sites exactly? I can login to BitBucket and *.python.org using
OpenID, not Persona.
I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe Mozilla
needs better PR.
-Barry
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Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com writes:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my
I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe Mozilla
needs better PR.
The Persona site touts: Signing in using Persona requires only a
valid email address; allowing you to provide personal information on
as-needed basis, when and where you think it’s appropriate.
They
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:50:44PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
OpenID lived
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:31:59 +0200
Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote:
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I just received an email from my OpenID provider, myOpenID, saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are used by other python-dev
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On 09/05/2013 03:52 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe
Mozilla needs better PR.
The Persona site touts: Signing in using Persona requires only a
valid email address; allowing you to
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
wouldn't live even that
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
+1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all *.python.org
servers.
BTW, I'd be happy to assist with any Persona RP implementations for
python.org services. The MDN docs are pretty good, I got my first RP
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I just received an email from my OpenID provider, myOpenID, saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows.
What are you using?. bugs.python.org admins could share some
On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
+1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all *.python.org
servers.
Is there a Python implementation of Persona I can install on my web server?
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On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:53:18PM -0400, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
I'd be surprised if you
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On 09/05/2013 04:29 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:50:44PM -0400, Donald Stufft
don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
On Sep 5, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
I'd be surprised if you ever saw the
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:07:11PM -0500, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote:
OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my so humble opinion.
I was completely unaware of OpenID's demise.
There was no demise.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
I have seen exactly 0 (zero) sites that support Persona. Can you
point me?
We have an internal app that uses Persona, but we did that mostly to
play with it.
I've not run across any sites that use Persona in the wild, either.
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:40:44 -0400
Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Sep 05, 2013, at 09:07 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Which sites exactly? I can login to BitBucket and *.python.org using
OpenID, not Persona.
I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe Mozilla
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote:
Is there a Python implementation of Persona I can install on my web server?
If you mean to use your web server as an Identity Provider, try this:
https://bitbucket.org/djc/persona-totp
It currently only implements
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Not that it changes this statement at all but you wouldn't expect to see a
Persona login
for gmail as persona solves the problem that people don't think of urls as
personal
identifiers by replacing it with emails. So
Whether a given site chooses to authroize an
authenticated-but-otherwise-unknown user to do anything meaningful is
logically distinct.
But the least they could have done was pick a demo site that didn't do
exactly what they contend you shouldn't need to do: cough up all sorts
of personal
There's some sample Python code here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Persona/Quick_Setup
The API is so simple something generic like requests suffices.
2013/9/5 Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com:
On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
+1 for supporting Persona as an
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On 09/05/2013 04:33 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
+1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all
*.python.org servers.
Is there a Python implementation of Persona I can install on my web
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com
wrote:
On 09/05/2013 04:29 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
I have seen exactly 0 (zero) sites that support Persona. Can you point
me?
- From the Mozilla Identity blog:
- - https://webmaker.org/
- -
On Sep 06, 2013, at 01:09 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
I will change my mind when Google and GitHub start using them.
Neither Google nor GitHub are free or open. Bitbucket and Facebook aren't
either. I'm not saying they're bad services because of that of course, but I
don't want to have to rely on
On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
I'd be surprised if you ever saw the big social networking sites support
OpenID or Persona. They want to
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:25:22PM +0400, Oleg Broytman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:16:29PM -0400, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
I used to use myOpenID and became my own provider using poit[1].
These
On Sep 5, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Oleg Broytman p...@phdru.name wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 05:29:07PM -0400, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org
wrote:
I don't want my choice to be log into Facebook or manage a slew of passwords.
The last part is unavoidable. I regularly login to LiveJournal,
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 05:29:07PM -0400, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
I don't want my choice to be log into Facebook or manage a slew of passwords.
The last part is unavoidable. I regularly login to LiveJournal,
Twitter, SourceForge, BitBucket, Gitorious, GitHub and to hundreds of
Barry Warsaw writes:
On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
I'd be surprised if you ever saw the big social networking sites support
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On 05/09/13 21:53, Ben Finney wrote:
My own take is that most people choose convenience and expedience
over security and freedom, hence Facebook and Twitter and Google
have taken over the online identity game instead of a federated
identity
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On 05/09/13 22:36, Oleg Broytman wrote:
There was no demise. Because there was no take-off. OpenID was
never popular. I can remember a very limited set of major sites
that allow login using OpenID: SourceForge, LiveJournal, BitBucket.
The first
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On 05/09/13 23:56, Oleg Broytman wrote:
Well, I can only use services that are available, not those that
are promised. If python.org grows support for Persona -- who will
be my provider and for what price? I am not going to install and
manage
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On 05/09/13 22:29, Oleg Broytman wrote:
I have seen exactly 0 (zero) sites that support Persona. Can you
point me?
Python España (Python Spain) association is going to provide Persona
Only login. Deployment in four weeks.
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