Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes:
It's not really reproducible. I think it sometimes happens when I
restart the master; sometimes, some clients fail to reconnect
(properly).
Another common problem is that some buildbot fails in the middle of the test
Hello,
Sorry for the little redundancy, I would like to underline Jean-Paul's
suggestion here:
Le Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:05:12 +, exarkun a écrit :
I think that money can help in two ways in this case.
First, there are now a multitude of cloud hosting providers which will
operate a slave
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:21:06PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Hello,
Sorry for the little redundancy, I would like to underline Jean-Paul's
suggestion here:
Le Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:05:12 +, exarkun a ??crit??:
I think that money can help in two ways in this case.
First, there
Le vendredi 30 octobre 2009 à 09:31 -0700, C. Titus Brown a écrit :
[ ... ]
I'm happy to provide VMs or shell access for Windows (XP, Vista, 7); Linux
ia64; Linux x86; and Mac OS X. Others have made similar offers. The
architectures supported by the cloud services don't really add anything
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 05:41:39PM +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Le vendredi 30 octobre 2009 ?? 09:31 -0700, C. Titus Brown a ??crit :
[ ... ]
I'm happy to provide VMs or shell access for Windows (XP, Vista, 7); Linux
ia64; Linux x86; and Mac OS X. Others have made similar offers. The
2009/10/30 C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:21:06PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Hello,
Sorry for the little redundancy, I would like to underline Jean-Paul's
suggestion here:
Le Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:05:12 +, exarkun a ??crit??:
I think that money can help in
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:49:51PM +, Paul Moore wrote:
2009/10/30 C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 04:21:06PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Hello,
Sorry for the little redundancy, I would like to underline Jean-Paul's
suggestion here:
Le Sun, 25 Oct 2009
2009/10/30 C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu:
As a counter-offer: Given remote access to however many Windows VMs
you want to provide, I'll get them up and running with buildslaves on
them. If that requires software such as Visual Studio, I have copies
via the MSDN licenses that I am happy to
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 at 19:46, Paul Moore wrote:
2009/10/30 C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu:
Once things are up and running, I'll be prepared to do basic care and
feeding of the buildslave, but as my time is limited, it would be nice
if others would pitch in to help.
I would be somewhat unhappy
Since I've never used any such service (cloud-based VMs), I'm not sure
what the downsides would be. But it seems to be that it would be at least
worth trying.
Not sure whether it's still relevant after the offers of individually
donated hardware. However, if you want to look into this, feel
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes:
It's not really reproducible. I think it sometimes happens when I
restart the master; sometimes, some clients fail to reconnect
(properly).
Another common problem is that some buildbot fails in the middle of the test
suite, with the following
Right, how do developers benefit from a buildbot?
From my experience (five large buildbots with many developers plus two
with only a couple of developers), a buildbot does little good unless
the tests are reliable and not too noisy. Reliable is best achieved
by having tests be deterministic and
David Bolen wrote:
MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com writes:
Couldn't you write a script to check the status periodically?
Sure, I suppose scraping the web status page would work. If it
happened frequently I'd probably be forced to do something like that,
but it's relatively low frequency
Would it be worth spending some time discussing the buildbot situation
at the PyCon 2010 language summit? In the past, I've found the
buildbots to be an incredibly valuable resource; especially when
working with aspects of Python or C that tend to vary significantly
from platform to platform
For a), I think we can solve this only by redundancy, i.e. create more
build slaves, hoping that a sufficient number would be up at any point
in time.
We are already doing this, aren't we?
http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/3.x/
It doesn't seem to work very well, it's a bit like a Danaides
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 08:54:46AM +, Mark Dickinson wrote:
Would it be worth spending some time discussing the buildbot situation
at the PyCon 2010 language summit? In the past, I've found the
buildbots to be an incredibly valuable resource; especially when
working with aspects of
On 12:16 pm, solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
For a), I think we can solve this only by redundancy, i.e. create more
build slaves, hoping that a sufficient number would be up at any point
in time.
We are already doing this, aren't we?
http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/3.x/
It doesn't seem to
On 09:47 am, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Mark Dickinson wrote:
Would it be worth spending some time discussing the buildbot situation
at the PyCon 2010 language summit? In the past, I've found the
buildbots to be an incredibly valuable resource; especially when
working with aspects of Python or
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:48 AM, C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu wrote:
[ x-posting to testing-in-python; please redirect followups to one list or
the other! ]
Hi Mark,
a few bits of information...
---
I have a set of VM machines running some core build archs -- Linux, Mac OS
X,
Win XP,
On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:47 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
These are actually two issues:
a) where do we get buildbot hardware and operators?
I've been trying to get some feedback about firing up buildbots on
Cloud Servers for a while now and haven't had much luck. I'd love to
find a way of
On Oct 25, 2009, at 9:50 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
Actually setting one up in the first place might take a bit longer,
since it involves installing the necessary software and making sure
everything's set up right, but the actual slave configuration itself
is one command:
exarkun at twistedmatrix.com writes:
To me, that raises the question of why people aren't more concerned with
the status of the build system. Shouldn't developers care if the code
they're writing works or not?
The fact that we ask questions and publicly express worries should hint that we
On Oct 25, 2009, at 10:05 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
First, there are now a multitude of cloud hosting providers which
will operate a slave machine for you. BuildBot has even begun to
support this deployment use-case by allowing you to start up and
shut down vms on demand to
2009/10/25 exar...@twistedmatrix.com:
Perhaps this is a significant portion of the problem. Maintaining a build
slave is remarkably simple and easy. I maintain about half a dozen slaves
and spend at most a few minutes a month operating them. Actually setting one
up in the first place might
On 05:47 pm, p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/10/25 exar...@twistedmatrix.com:
Perhaps this is a significant portion of the problem. Maintaining a
build
slave is remarkably simple and easy. I maintain about half a dozen
slaves
and spend at most a few minutes a month operating them. Actually
2009/10/25 exar...@twistedmatrix.com:
If you run a build slave and it's offline when a build is requested, the
build will be queued and run when the slave comes back online. So if the
CPython developers want to work this way (I wouldn't), then we don't need
pony-build; BuildBot will do just
I've been trying to get some feedback about firing up buildbots on Cloud
Servers for a while now and haven't had much luck. I'd love to find a
way of having buildbots come to life, report to the mother ship, do the
build, then go away 'till next time they're required.
I'm not quite sure whom
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 07:32:52PM +0100, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
I've been trying to get some feedback about firing up buildbots on Cloud
Servers for a while now and haven't had much luck. I'd love to find a
way of having buildbots come to life, report to the mother ship, do the
build,
On 06:32 pm, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
I've been trying to get some feedback about firing up buildbots on
Cloud
Servers for a while now and haven't had much luck. I'd love to find a
way of having buildbots come to life, report to the mother ship, do
the
build, then go away 'till next time
Antoine Pitrou wrote:
For a), I think we can solve this only by redundancy, i.e. create more
build slaves, hoping that a sufficient number would be up at any point
in time.
We are already doing this, aren't we?
http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/3.x/
It doesn't seem to work very well,
As I have no specific experience maintaining any of the CPython build
slaves, I can't speak to any maintenance issues which these slaves have
encountered. I would expect that they are as minimal as the issues I
have encountered maintaining slaves for other projects, but perhaps this
is
OK, sounds useful. If I'm offline for a while, do multiple builds get
queued, or only the last one?
IIRC, it will only build the last one, then with a huge blame list.
If the former, I can imagine coming
back to a pretty huge load if the slave breaks while I'm on holiday
:-(
If it's
On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
I've been trying to get some feedback about firing up buildbots on
Cloud
Servers for a while now and haven't had much luck. I'd love to
find a
way of having buildbots come to life, report to the mother ship, do
the
build, then go away
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes:
If it's offline too often, I'm skeptical that it would be useful. If
you report breakage after a day, then it will be difficult to attribute
this to a specific commit. It is most useful to have continuous
integration if error reports are
I think that money can help in two ways in this case.
First, there are now a multitude of cloud hosting providers which will
operate a slave machine for you. BuildBot has even begun to support
this deployment use-case by allowing you to start up and shut down vms
on demand to save on
it shouldn't be difficult to cobble together a build script that spins up a
buildslave on EC2 and runs the tests there; I wrote something similar a
few years ago for an infrequently connected home machine.
Ok - so it would be the master running this script? Sounds reasonable to me.
As for EC2
This is supported in recent versions of BuildBot with a special kind of
slave:
http://djmitche.github.com/buildbot/docs/0.7.11/#On_002dDemand-
_0028_0022Latent_0022_0029-Buildslaves
Interesting. Coming back to PSF may spend money, let me say this:
If somebody would volunteer to set up
I don't need to know that it works on every checkin
For us, that is a fairly important requirement, though.
Reports get more and more useless if they aren't instantaneous.
Sometimes, people check something in just to see how the build
slaves react.
Regards,
Martin
On Oct 25, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
I don't need to know that it works on every checkin
For us, that is a fairly important requirement, though.
Reports get more and more useless if they aren't instantaneous.
Sometimes, people check something in just to see how the build
The most *exciting* part of pony-build, apart from the always-riveting
spectacle of titus rediscovering problems that buildbot solved 5 years ago,
is the loose coupling of recording server to the build slaves and build
reporters. My plan is to enable a simple and lightweight XML-RPC and/or
2009/10/25 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de:
I've been trying to get some feedback about firing up buildbots on Cloud
Servers for a while now and haven't had much luck. I'd love to find a
way of having buildbots come to life, report to the mother ship, do the
build, then go away 'till next
On Oct 25, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
(*) it may help if Buildbot would create a Win32 job object, and
then use TerminateJobObject. Contributions are welcome.
Some work has already been done on this, but it needs help. At the
root it's a Twisted issue:
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes:
The remaining issue is the popups; if a process still has a popup,
you can't even terminate it properly. There are two kinds of popups:
system-generated ones, and CRT-generated ones. For the CRT ones, we
once had a way to turn them off, but I'm not
It's not so much that I *require* the slave to shut down, more that
I'm not sure how well I'll be able to ensure that it's up all the
time, and I'm trying to understand the implications of that. My basic
impression is that it's not really going to work, unfortunately.
There is a significant
On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Only turning on the slave occasionally makes it useless.
For certain use cases; not mine.
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On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Only turning on the slave occasionally makes it useless.
For certain use cases; not mine.
Let's say that for the use case we are talking here (this is python-dev),
Martin's statement
David Bolen wrote:
[snip]
I think the other issue most likely to cause a perceived downtime
with the Windows build slave that I've had a handful of cases over the
past two years where the build slave appears to be operating properly,
but the master seems to just queue up jobs as if it were down.
On 25 Oct, 09:36 pm, db3l@gmail.com wrote:
I think the other issue most likely to cause a perceived downtime
with the Windows build slave that I've had a handful of cases over the
past two years where the build slave appears to be operating properly,
but the master seems to just queue up
exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes:
This sounds like something that should be reported
upstream. Particularly if you know how to reproduce it. Has it been?
No, largely because I can't reproduce it at all. It's happened maybe
4-5 times in the past 2 years or so. All that I see is that my end
MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com writes:
Couldn't you write a script to check the status periodically?
Sure, I suppose scraping the web status page would work. If it
happened frequently I'd probably be forced to do something like that,
but it's relatively low frequency (though I guess it does
On 01:28 am, db3l@gmail.com wrote:
exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes:
This sounds like something that should be reported
upstream. Particularly if you know how to reproduce it. Has it been?
No, largely because I can't reproduce it at all. It's happened maybe
4-5 times in the past 2 years
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