Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dirkjan Ochtman writes: > I'm sorry for the lack of response in the past. I looked at Gentoo's > Bugzilla and didn't find any related bugs you reported or were CC'ed > on, can you name some of them? This isn't about my bugs; I've been able to work through them satisfactorily. It's about what

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ned Deily writes: > In article <87fwhfqywr@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>, > "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > I haven't had the nerve to do this on MacPorts because "port" is such > > a flaky thing (not so much port itself, but so many ports assume that > > the port maintainer's local config

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-23 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 13:21, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >  > Problems like what? > > Like those I explained later in the post, which you cut.  But I'll They were in a later post, I didn't cut them. :) >  > Please create a connection to your distro by filing bugs as you >  > encounter them? > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dirkjan Ochtman writes: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 17:41, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > > This is still a big mess in Gentoo and MacPorts, though.  MacPorts > > hasn't done anything about ceating a transition infrastructure AFAICT. > > Gentoo has its "eselect python set VERSION" stuff, but i

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-23 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 17:41, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > This is still a big mess in Gentoo and MacPorts, though.  MacPorts > hasn't done anything about ceating a transition infrastructure AFAICT. > Gentoo has its "eselect python set VERSION" stuff, but it's very > dangerous to set to a Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Xavier Morel
On 2011-11-23, at 04:51 , Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Xavier Morel writes: >> On 2011-11-22, at 17:41 , Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>> Barry Warsaw writes: > Hopefully, we're going to be making a dent in that in the next version of Ubuntu. > >>> This is still a big mess in Gentoo and M

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Ned Deily
In article <87fwhfqywr@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > I haven't had the nerve to do this on MacPorts because "port" is such > a flaky thing (not so much port itself, but so many ports assume that > the port maintainer's local configuration is what others' systems u

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Xavier Morel writes: > On 2011-11-22, at 17:41 , Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Barry Warsaw writes: > >> Hopefully, we're going to be making a dent in that in the next version of > >> Ubuntu. > > This is still a big mess in Gentoo and MacPorts, though. MacPorts > > hasn't done anything ab

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 22, 2011, at 06:10 PM, Xavier Morel wrote: >It's definitely not going to replace the Apple-provided Python out of the >box, so setting `python` to a python3 is not going to happen. Nor should it! PEP 394 attempts to codify the Python project's recommendations for what version 'python' (e.

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 22, 2011, at 09:13 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >For Fedora (and currently, Red Hat is based on Fedora -- a little more about >that later, though), we have parallel python2 and python3 stacks. Debian (and thus Ubuntu) also has separate Python 2 and 3 stacks. In general, if you have a Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread David Malcolm
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 09:13 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 01:41:46AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Barry Warsaw writes: > > > > > Hopefully, we're going to be making a dent in that in the next version of > > > Ubuntu. > > > > This is still a big mess in Gentoo

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 01:41:46AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Barry Warsaw writes: > > > Hopefully, we're going to be making a dent in that in the next version of > > Ubuntu. > > This is still a big mess in Gentoo and MacPorts, though. MacPorts > hasn't done anything about ceating a t

Re: [Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Xavier Morel
On 2011-11-22, at 17:41 , Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Barry Warsaw writes: >> Hopefully, we're going to be making a dent in that in the next version of >> Ubuntu. > > This is still a big mess in Gentoo and MacPorts, though. MacPorts > hasn't done anything about ceating a transition infrastructur

[Python-Dev] Promoting Python 3 [was: PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot]

2011-11-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > Hopefully, we're going to be making a dent in that in the next version of > Ubuntu. This is still a big mess in Gentoo and MacPorts, though. MacPorts hasn't done anything about ceating a transition infrastructure AFAICT. Gentoo has its "eselect python set VERSION" stuff,