Tobias Herp wrote:
What /is/ this ambiguity of the version= argument? There is none!
Do it the way optparse does it, and all is fine!
All is not fine.
How do I add a -V shortcut that is equivalent to --version as part
of an optparse program? (That's a real question, I honestly have no idea
Barry Warsaw schrieb:
On Apr 18, 2010, at 07:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just write:
Tobias Herp wrote:
No deprecation or removal of the simple and convenient 'version'
argument is needed for this. Just omit it, and build your version
action yourself. But please notice that there are others who appreciate
this simple way to do it and don't need more.
One Obvious Way.
In
Nick Coghlan wrote:
Tobias Herp wrote:
No deprecation or removal of the simple and convenient 'version'
argument is needed for this. Just omit it, and build your version
action yourself. But please notice that there are others who appreciate
this simple way to do it and don't need more.
Nick Coghlan schrieb:
Tobias Herp wrote:
No deprecation or removal of the simple and convenient 'version'
argument is needed for this. Just omit it, and build your version
action yourself. But please notice that there are others who appreciate
this simple way to do it and don't need more.
Martin v. Löwis schrieb:
- many optparse programs use the version argument
- many other programmers find this feature very convenient
- dropping or deprecating this is a totally unnecessary change
(I have not read a single real reason /why/ this should be done).
You actually brought up a
Tobias Herp writes:
(we use Python because it is convenient!),
Speak for yourself, I want no part of that we. I use Python because
it's well defined and well documented and makes sense and provides
powerful operations and runs quickly enough in those applications
where I use it.
The fact
On 19 April 2010 04:44, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com wrote:
Note that the python interpreter uses -V and --version.
r...@gutsy:~$ python3.1 -V
Python 3.1.2
r...@gutsy:~$ python3.1 --version
Python 3.1.2
And -v is used as follows:
-v : verbose (trace import statements); also
I'm with Martin; just let it be explicit and stick an example in the docs.
-Brett (from his phone with hopefully only one copy sent of this email)
On Apr 18, 2010 9:22 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
- many optparse programs use the version argument
- many other programmers find
On 4/18/2010 9:44 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
Tobias Herp wrote:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
But I'd really like a consensus about the correct behavior, and so far
I have not seen that.
Do you take your
On 19/04/2010 21:19, Scott Dial wrote:
On 4/18/2010 9:44 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
Tobias Herp wrote:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Tobias Herptobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
But I'd really like a consensus
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
On 19/04/2010 21:19, Scott Dial wrote:
Is consensus superficial?
No, but it isn't always possible or necessary. In general the maintainer of
a module should make the best decision, not the one with the most
Hi, all,
(I don't know whether the first attempt to post this went through; I
could'nt find it, so I retry. My apologies for any inconvenience...)
I noticed that Python 2.7 beta 1 now contains the argparse module, which
might be a good thing. The code has been cleaned up, too, compared to
the
Tobias Herp wrote:
*Before Python 2.7 reaches productivity stage*, IMNSHO the following
changes should be applied to argparse.py:
- removal of the deprecation warnings
- removal of the default usage of '-v'
with the version information facility
This is a very simple thing to do; I'd
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com writes:
I would be a lot happier if argparse as a standard library module just
followed optparse's lead here (i.e. defined '--version' only and punted
on the shorthand form).
To deal with this in a backwards compatible way while remaining on the
path to more
Hi, all,
I noticed that Python 2.7 beta 1 now contains the argparse module, which
might be a good thing. The code has been cleaned up, too, compared to
the current version 1.1.
But there is still one issue with argparse; to tell the story from the
beginning:
The ArgumentParser class uses uses
Ben Finney schrieb:
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com writes:
I would be a lot happier if argparse as a standard library module just
followed optparse's lead here (i.e. defined '--version' only and punted
on the shorthand form).
To deal with this in a backwards compatible way while remaining
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
To put it short:
*Argparse should simply do this like optparse does already.*
I.e., use '--version', '--help' and '-h' by default, but not '-v'.
[snip]
What happened was the following:
Completely unnecessarily, the
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
To deal with this in a backwards compatible way while remaining on the
path to more conventional behaviour, I suggest the following:
1. For Python 2.7, deprecate *just* the -v default behaviour for the
version. This means
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
To put it short:
*Argparse should simply do this like optparse does already.*
I.e., use '--version', '--help' and '-h' by default, but not '-v'.
[snip]
What happened was the following:
Completely
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
To deal with this in a backwards compatible way while remaining on the
path to more conventional behaviour, I suggest the following:
1. For Python 2.7, deprecate *just* the -v default behaviour for
Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes:
I
need to a see a consensus from a variety of developers that
--version is the right answer, and not -V/--version, etc.
Both are ok for me. -v as a shortcut for --version looks wrong, though. -v
is almost always used for verbosity these
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just write:
parser.add_argument('--version', action='version', version='the
version')
With
On 19/04/2010 00:52, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Steven Bethardsteven.bethardat gmail.com writes:
I
need to a see a consensus from a variety of developers that
--version is the right answer, and not -V/--version, etc.
Both are ok for me. -v as a shortcut for --version looks wrong,
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just write:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes:
Note
that even though I agree with you that -v/--version is probably not
the best choice, in the poll[2] 11% of people still wanted this.
This strikes me as a small
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just write:
parser.add_argument('--version', action='version', version='the version')
I like
Steven Bethard wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just
Eric Smith schrieb:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just write:
parser.add_argument('--version', action='version',
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes:
Note
that even though I agree with you that -v/--version is probably not
the best choice, in the poll[2] 11% of people still wanted this.
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
*Argparse should simply do this like optparse does already.*
I.e., use '--version', '--help' and '-h'
Tobias Herp wrote:
Be careful. There have been other personal opinions, and there are very
many *X programs which form a standard which should be followed, and
this is a /very strong/ argument, IMO.
If the version= argument were to only provide --version, how would
you conveniently add a -V
On 18Apr2010 22:52, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
| Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes:
| I
| need to a see a consensus from a variety of developers that
| --version is the right answer, and not -V/--version, etc.
|
| Both are ok for me. -v as a shortcut for
Tobias Herp wrote:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de wrote:
*Argparse should simply do this like optparse does already.*
I.e., use '--version',
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Steven Bethard steven.beth...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes:
Note
that even though I agree with you that -v/--version is probably not
the best
On Apr 18, 2010, at 07:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just write:
parser.add_argument('--version',
Tobias Herp tobias.h...@gmx.de writes:
Steven Bethard schrieb:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes:
Note that even though I agree with you that -v/--version is
probably not the best choice, in the
Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 18Apr2010 22:52, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
| Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes:
| I
| need to a see a consensus from a variety of developers that
| --version is the right answer, and not -V/--version, etc.
|
| Both are ok for me.
On 04/18/2010 05:57 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help for the
'version' action. Then you should just write:
parser.add_argument('--version',
On 04/18/2010 06:35 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Nick Coghlanncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and exit as the default help
- many optparse programs use the version argument
- many other programmers find this feature very convenient
- dropping or deprecating this is a totally unnecessary change
(I have not read a single real reason /why/ this should be done).
You actually brought up a good reason yourself:
In
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Steven Bethard wrote:
By the way, we could simplify the typical add_argument usage by adding
show program's version number and
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Note there are two changes I believe should be made to the argparse
documentation for 2.7 though:
- the '--version' example should either not use a shorthand, or should
use the conventional '-V'
- this issue needs to be
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote:
Somewhat relatedly, what is the plan for past and future argparse releases?
I currently don't have any plans to make releases outside of the main
Python releases. Perhaps if there's great demand for it, I'll
reconsider, but
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