Re: [Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-05 Thread Daniel A. Welty
I'm sorry, but I can't just get used to it, nor do I think it's the least bad of all available options. I'll just summarise briefly what the incorrect ways of addressing this problem are, and why: * he or she and his or her are cumbersome constructions introduced by politically correct zealots

Re: [Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Daniel A. Welty wrote: * they and their are plural, and should never be used in the singular. Thank you for sharing your option here, but you are not a linguist and you are simply wrong. At least two people in this thread have already linked to Wikipedia's article on singular-they, which

Re: [Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-05 Thread Westley Martínez
On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 10:25 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Daniel A. Welty wrote: * they and their are plural, and should never be used in the singular. Thank you for sharing your option here, but you are not a linguist and you are simply wrong. At least two people in this thread have

Re: [Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Westley Martínez wrote: I believe singular they should not be used in formal writing. So what if you use it in an email? If you, personally, dislike it, then don't use it. But if you (generic you) say that it is grammatically incorrect to do so, then you are simply *wrong*. Some things are

Re: [Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
Enough already. If anyone still disagrees, they can discuss it in the comments page on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Singular_they). Seriously, this is off-topic for python-dev. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-05 Thread Westley Martínez
On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 11:18 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Westley Martínez wrote: I believe singular they should not be used in formal writing. So what if you use it in an email? If you, personally, dislike it, then don't use it. But if you (generic you) say that it is grammatically

[Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: That's how I felt 20 years ago. But since then I've come to appreciate they as a much better alternative to either he or she or he. Just get used to it. If anyone wants to further explore this question, the Stack

Re: [Python-Dev] Vagaries of their in English (was Re: Support the /usr/bin/python2 symlink upstream)

2011-03-04 Thread Jack Diederich
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: That's how I felt 20 years ago. But since then I've come to appreciate they as a much better alternative to either he or she or he. Just get used to