Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 14.05.14 16:28, schrieb Barry Warsaw: > On May 14, 2014, at 02:20 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > >> Do we want an official policy written down in a PEP (yes, I can write it)? >> Should I keep closing these patches and saying that we are not adding >> support for new operating systems and be hand-wav

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 15.05.14 16:20, schrieb Skip Montanaro: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> We already have such buildbots, they are in the "unstable" category. >> You can browse through existing buildbots here: >> https://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ > > I can't see how to distinguish

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 15 May 2014 19:14:55 +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2014 09:40:33 -0500 > Skip Montanaro wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > I view stable buildbots as staying up and testing critical platforms. > > > > Would "supported" and "unsupported"

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 15 May 2014 09:40:33 -0500 Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > I view stable buildbots as staying up and testing critical platforms. > > Would "supported" and "unsupported" (or "critical" and "optional"?) > make more sense? "Unstable" suggests

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > I view stable buildbots as staying up and testing critical platforms. Would "supported" and "unsupported" (or "critical" and "optional"?) make more sense? "Unstable" suggests "broken" to me, not "we don't really care about these." S

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu May 15 2014 at 10:24:45 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Antoine Pitrou > wrote: > > We already have such buildbots, they are in the "unstable" category. > > You can browse through existing buildbots here: > > https://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ > > I can't se

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > We already have such buildbots, they are in the "unstable" category. > You can browse through existing buildbots here: > https://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/ I can't see how to distinguish "stable" from "unstable" (or to view just the "unst

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 15 May 2014 08:20:03 -0500 Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Main problem with rare platform support is not breaking it accidentally, > > since without buildbots we won't know when it's broken. This is why we don't > > make any promises

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Main problem with rare platform support is not breaking it accidentally, > since without buildbots we won't know when it's broken. This is why we don't > make any promises. Should we (or do we) offer to run (unofficial) buildbots for mai

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Guido van Rossum
Main problem with rare platform support is not breaking it accidentally, since without buildbots we won't know when it's broken. This is why we don't make any promises. On May 14, 2014 9:02 PM, "Cameron Simpson" wrote: > On 14May2014 14:45, Brett Cannon wrote: > >> On Wed May 14 2014 at 10:43:18

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 14May2014 14:45, Brett Cannon wrote: On Wed May 14 2014 at 10:43:18 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2014 14:20:26 + Brett Cannon wrote: > Over the past week or so there have been 2 patches to add support for > various UNIX OSs. Now I thought we had stopped trying to add new es

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 15 May 2014 01:52, Brett Cannon wrote: > > I consider CPU and compiler separate things. As long as we have a buildbot > covering the CPU or compiler somehow I say they are covered (and someone is > willing to help make sure they continue to work). I'm not going to say that > we need a BSD ARM b

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
I wonder if one or more people who maintain unofficial forks on minority platforms (OS/2, VMS, etc) could create an informational PEP about the process (benefits and pitfalls) of that kind of effort? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed May 14 2014 at 11:33:27 AM, Matthias Klose wrote: > Am 14.05.2014 17:08, schrieb Brett Cannon: > > On Wed May 14 2014 at 11:02:50 AM, R. David Murray < > rdmur...@bitdance.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 14 May 2014 11:31:15 -0300, "Joao S. O. Bueno" < > >> jsbu...@python.org.br> wrote: >

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Matthias Klose
Am 14.05.2014 17:08, schrieb Brett Cannon: > On Wed May 14 2014 at 11:02:50 AM, R. David Murray > wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 May 2014 11:31:15 -0300, "Joao S. O. Bueno" < >> jsbu...@python.org.br> wrote: >>> +1 for an official policy that comes with a "permanent maintainer for >>> this platform requi

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed May 14 2014 at 11:02:50 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2014 11:31:15 -0300, "Joao S. O. Bueno" < > jsbu...@python.org.br> wrote: > > +1 for an official policy that comes with a "permanent maintainer for > > this platform required" as part of the list > > of requisites. > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 14 May 2014 11:31:15 -0300, "Joao S. O. Bueno" wrote: > +1 for an official policy that comes with a "permanent maintainer for > this platform required" as part of the list > of requisites. > > js > -><- > > On 14 May 2014 11:20, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Over the past week or so ther

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed May 14 2014 at 10:43:18 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2014 14:20:26 + > Brett Cannon wrote: > > Over the past week or so there have been 2 patches to add support for > > various UNIX OSs. Now I thought we had stopped trying to add new esoteric > > OSs (e.g. I had never he

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 14 May 2014 14:20:26 + Brett Cannon wrote: > Over the past week or so there have been 2 patches to add support for > various UNIX OSs. Now I thought we had stopped trying to add new esoteric > OSs (e.g. I had never heard of MirOS until the patch for it came in), but I > can't find a PE

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
+1 for an official policy that comes with a "permanent maintainer for this platform required" as part of the list of requisites. js -><- On 14 May 2014 11:20, Brett Cannon wrote: > Over the past week or so there have been 2 patches to add support for > various UNIX OSs. Now I thought we had

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 14, 2014, at 02:20 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >Do we want an official policy written down in a PEP (yes, I can write it)? >Should I keep closing these patches and saying that we are not adding >support for new operating systems and be hand-wavy about it? Yes, I think a PEP describing both pol

[Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Brett Cannon
Over the past week or so there have been 2 patches to add support for various UNIX OSs. Now I thought we had stopped trying to add new esoteric OSs (e.g. I had never heard of MirOS until the patch for it came in), but I can't find a PEP that spells out what it takes to get a platform supported ( ht