Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-16 Thread Larry Hastings
On 03/09/2011 01:15 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: I can confirm that the Cython project was as surprised of the PyCapsule change in Python 3.2 as (I guess) most other users, I was a bit surprised by it too, and I wrote the Capsule object. (Well, hacked up CObject to give it a new API.)

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-16 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/11 22:50, Guido van Rossum wrote: I propose we try to find an embedded blogger who participates in python-dev but is focused on making regular blog posts about the interesting tidbits. There's no requirement to be complete (which I think

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-16 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Jesus Cea wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/11 22:50, Guido van Rossum wrote: I propose we try to find an embedded blogger who participates in python-dev but is focused on making regular blog posts about the interesting tidbits.

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-15 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 19:22, Reid Kleckner reid.kleck...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know how your code works, but handling either type from C seems very straightforward to me.  You can simply use #ifdef Py_COBJECT_H to see if the cobject.h header was pulled into Python.h. Similarly for

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-15 Thread Robert Kern
On 3/14/11 5:30 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: Many projects, not only the Zope Toolkit needs to support a lot of versions. The Zope component architecture currently supports 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6 and is expected to work on 2.7. I don't know if 2.4 or 2.5 can be dropped, but it definitely will be

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-14 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 01:15, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: I can confirm that the Cython project was as surprised of the PyCapsule change in Python 3.2 as (I guess) most other users, and I would claim that we are a project with one of the highest probabilities of being impacted by

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-14 Thread Reid Kleckner
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 01:15, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: I can confirm that the Cython project was as surprised of the PyCapsule change in Python 3.2 as (I guess) most other users, and I would claim that we

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-12 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mar 11, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Paul Moore wrote: On 11 March 2011 23:24, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I'm interested in the task and I guess I'll follow-up with Doug Hellman. I don't follow -ideas close enough to summarize it, but I'd contribute to a -dev blog. Awesome! (And we

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:15:07 +0100 Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Actually, why not put up a web page of upcoming changes somewhere, that lists major decisions with user impact that were taken on python-dev? Including a link to the relevant discussion and decision. Often enough,

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2011 03:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:15:07 +0100 Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Actually, why not put up a web page of upcoming changes somewhere, that lists major decisions with user impact that were

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Tim Lesher wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 01:15, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Actually, why not put up a web page of upcoming changes somewhere, that lists major decisions with

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:53:03 -0500 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2011 03:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:15:07 +0100 Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Actually, why not put up a web page of

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:40:56 -0500 Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@gmail.com wrote: The original request from the board was for the communications team to write the messages, but I think it is more appropriate for the people doing the work to talk about it. [...] I asked Michael to add this

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mar 11, 2011 4:52 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Tim Lesher wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 01:15, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Actually, why not put up a

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:56:49 +0100 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:53:03 -0500 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2011 03:24 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:15:07 +0100

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 11, 2011 4:52 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Tim Lesher wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-11 Thread Paul Moore
On 11 March 2011 23:24, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I'm interested in the task and I guess I'll follow-up with Doug Hellman. I don't follow -ideas close enough to summarize it, but I'd contribute to a -dev blog. Awesome! (And we don't need to stop at one blogger. Many hands make

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: A publicly visible list of those decisions would a) make it easier for non-core developers to follow important changes on python-dev b) allow potentially impacted people to bring up their POV more quickly, e.g. during

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Tim Lesher
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 01:15, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Actually, why not put up a web page of upcoming changes somewhere, that lists major decisions with user impact that were taken on python-dev? Including a link to the relevant discussion and decision. Often enough, decisions

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Martin v. Löwis, 08.03.2011 23:47: I think everything here is as it should be. People who really cared about forwards compatibility could have known, but factually, most people don't care enough. Those then learn for the

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Giampaolo Rodolà
Actually, why not put up a web page of upcoming changes somewhere, that lists major decisions with user impact that were taken on python-dev? I think what's new serves this purpose properly. Usually, every time I commit a new feature, I update the what's new file as well. In fact we already

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mar 9, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Tim Lesher wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 01:15, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Actually, why not put up a web page of upcoming changes somewhere, that lists major decisions with user impact that were taken on python-dev? Including a link to the relevant

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:42:36 +0100 Giampaolo Rodolà g.rod...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, why not put up a web page of upcoming changes somewhere, that lists major decisions with user impact that were taken on python-dev? I think what's new serves this purpose properly. Usually, every time I

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/9/2011 4:14 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:42:36 +0100 Perhaps the part of the what's new document which deals with porting issues and compatibility breakage would need more highlighting? That could go at the tops. Deletions in 3.3 ... Planned deletions in future

Re: [Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/9/2011 9:50 AM, Tim Lesher wrote: We used to do biweekly-ish Python-Dev summaries for this reason. They were, is a sense, too detailed, complete, and voluminous. In whatever format, terser announcement of just things others really need to know - like decisions that affect them, would

[Python-Dev] public visibility of python-dev decisions before it's too late (was: PyCObject_AsVoidPtr removed from python 3.2 - is this documented?)

2011-03-08 Thread Stefan Behnel
Martin v. Löwis, 08.03.2011 23:47: I think everything here is as it should be. People who really cared about forwards compatibility could have known, but factually, most people don't care enough. Those then learn for the first time that some feature was deprecated after it is actually removed.