Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Paul Moore
On 6/28/06, Gregor Lingl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made xturtle.py and that was a big effort. And I offer it to replace turtle.py. I do this because I'm a Python enthusiast and I want a better Python. (And I know very well that my contribution is rather marginal). We all, I think, have this

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: So, if you can't accept that offer - now, or even ever - , because it contradicts your rules, that's o.k. But it's not 'my cause'. I concieve it to be the community's cause. All we said is that we cannot integrate it now, as a policy matter. Nobody said it can't be

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Gregor Lingl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Gregor Lingl wrote: ... (Who reviewed it? This is a _newly_added_ function - did nobody try it out yet? Incredible!!) Apparently not. Thanks for pointing that out; Georg (who committed the patch originally) just fixed it in r47151. This illustrates the

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: One question in this respect - how important do you consider backward compatibility. When designing a new module the requirement backward copmpatibility can have a big impact on the code although it may in some parts be questionable. As an example let me mention the

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Edward Loper
Gregor Lingl wrote: Yes,, and I have some ideas in this respect, but mainly a prioncipal question. I read about using doctest and unittest, but how does one devise automatic test suites for graphical output. In the end it depends on how it looks like. There are a few options here.. Two

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Gregor Lingl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Collin Winter wrote: While I have no opinion on Gregor's app, and while I fully agree that new language features and stdlib modules should generally stay out of bug-fix point releases, xturtle doesn't seem to rise to that level (and hence, those restrictions).

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Gregor Lingl wrote: What a shame!! An immanent bug, persistent for years now! Is this what Anthony Baxter calls the most solid Python release ever do you really think stuff like this helps your cause ? /F ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote: Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Collin Winter wrote: While I have no opinion on Gregor's app, and while I fully agree that new language features and stdlib modules should generally stay out of bug-fix point releases, xturtle doesn't seem to

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
It was already patched by the other Georg. Thanks for the quick fix, georgbot! --Guido On 6/28/06, Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote: Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Collin Winter wrote: While I have no opinion on Gregor's app, and while I

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: Sorry Martin, but to me this seems not to be the right way to manage things. As you explain later, this is precisely the right way; it is unfortunate that it isn't always followed. (Who reviewed it? This is a _newly_added_ function - did nobody try it out yet?

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: For example: put turtle.py and xturtle.py both into beta2 and see which one stands better the (beta)test of time. Or perhaps you have an even better idea! As a compromise, we could put an ad into the turtle document (a see also link). Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Gregor Lingl
Fredrik Lundh schrieb: Gregor Lingl wrote: What a shame!! An immanent bug, persistent for years now! Is this what Anthony Baxter calls the most solid Python release ever do you really think stuff like this helps your cause ? Perhaps it dosn't help the turtle - cause. (I