Re: [Python-Dev] [Doc-SIG] that library reference, again

2006-01-07 Thread Fredrik Lundh
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: I haven't followed the thread, so many I'm repeating things. Has anyone considered using e.g. MediaWiki (the wiki used for Wikipedia) for Python documentation ? I'm asking because this wiki has proven to be ideally suited for creating complex documentation tasks and

[Python-Dev] ConfigParser to save with order

2006-01-07 Thread Facundo Batista
ConfigParser saves the data in a not-predefined order. This is because it keeps, internally, the information in dictionaries. I opened a patch in SF 1399309 that orders the info to be saved in the file through the ConfigParser write() method. This patch does not let the user to specify the

[Python-Dev] Checking in a broken test was: Re: [Python-checkins] r41940 - python/trunk/Lib/test/test_compiler.py

2006-01-07 Thread Neal Norwitz
[moving to python-dev] On 1/7/06, Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it is not the test that's broken... it's compiler. [In reference to: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-checkins/2006-January/048715.html] In the past, we haven't checked in tests which are known to be

[Python-Dev] some interesting readings

2006-01-07 Thread Samuele Pedroni
because I was reminded of them recently, because they may be useful landmarks in the prospective of future discussions, because expanding one's understanding of the problem/solution space of language design is quite a good thing if one is interested in such things... 1) Gilad Bracha. Pluggable

Re: [Python-Dev] Checking in a broken test was: Re: [Python-checkins] r41940 - python/trunk/Lib/test/test_compiler.py

2006-01-07 Thread Tim Peters
[Neal Norwitz] ... In the past, we haven't checked in tests which are known to be broken. It's an absolute rule that you never check in a change (whether a test or anything else) that causes ``regretst.py -uall`` to fail. Even if it passes on your development box, but fails on someone else's

Re: [Python-Dev] Checking in a broken test was: Re: [Python-checkins] r41940 - python/trunk/Lib/test/test_compiler.py

2006-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 1/7/06, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm proposing something like add two files to Lib/test: outstanding_bugs.py and outstanding_crashes.py. Both would be normal test files with info about the bug report and the code that causes problems. I like this approach. regrtest.py won't

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler warnings for 64-bit portability problems

2006-01-07 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 1/6/06, von Löwis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found that the intel compiler (icc 9.0) also supports compiler warnings for portability problems. Cool. Thanks for the info. It would be nice if Intel would provide Python developers with a permanent icc license for Python. Can

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler warnings for 64-bit portability problems

2006-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 1/7/06, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. Thanks for the info. It would be nice if Intel would provide Python developers with a permanent icc license for Python. Can anyone help with that? I'll try. A dutch friend from long ago (CWI) is now working for Intel's compiler group

Re: [Python-Dev] ConfigParser to save with order

2006-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
I think it's moot unless you also preserve comments. Ideally would be something that prserved everything (ordering, blank lines, comments etc.) from how it was read in. Modifying a value should keep its position. Adding a value should add it to the end of the section it's in (unless there are

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

2006-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 1/6/06, Kay Schluehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then simply reject the PEP and the discussion can be stopped on comp.lang.python too. Only in the most severe cases does it make sense to create a PEP specifically to be rejected. Or why do you think it should be discussed there again and

Re: [Python-Dev] some interesting readings

2006-01-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
Samuele Pedroni wrote: because I was reminded of them recently, because they may be useful landmarks in the prospective of future discussions, because expanding one's understanding of the problem/solution space of language design is quite a good thing if one is interested in such things...

Re: [Python-Dev] some interesting readings

2006-01-07 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 02:01 PM 1/8/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: Samuele Pedroni wrote: 2) http://homepages.cwi.nl/~ralf/OOHaskell/ state of the art experiment on trying to reconcile object orientation, type inference and as much as possible expressiveness PS: I think 1 is much more relevant than 2 for