Re: [Python-Dev] for __future__ import planning

2008-10-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Is it really that bad? Once 3.0 is released, it's not like we're going > to be patching 2.6 and 3.0 all that much. And unfortunately so. The 2.5 branch doesn't get the attention that it should, let alone the 2.4 branch. We will continue to "have" them (even if only for security patches). Regard

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] python-checkins seems broken

2008-10-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I know there's a transition to new IP addresses going on for the > python.org machines, but Thomas or Sean probably needs to do something > with the DNS for this. IIUC, it would be sufficient if these addresses get recognized as local. Meanwhile, I have disabled the new interfaces. Regards, Mar

[Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Barry Warsaw schrieb: > On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > >> So now that we've released 2.6 and are working hard on shepherding 3.0 >> out the door, it's time to worry about the next set of releases. :) > >> I propose that we dramatically shorten our release cycle for 2.7/3.1

Re: [Python-Dev] Doc nits question

2008-10-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Terry Reedy schrieb: > Georg Brandl wrote: >> Fred Drake schrieb: >>> On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: I intend to set things up so that the docs at docs.python.org are continually rebuilt, just like the /dev docs were until now. > > Will you do the same for the 3.0

Re: [Python-Dev] if-syntax for regular for-loops

2008-10-04 Thread Eric Smith
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:26:30 pm Nick Coghlan wrote: (Tangent: the above two try/except examples are perfectly legal Py3k code. Do we really need the "pass" statement anymore?) I can't imagine why you would think we don't need the pass statement. I often use it: * For

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> This may be more complicated than it sounds, because you'd probably > add a very general requirement-indicating feature to PyPI, not merely > a 'supports 3.0' Boolean on each record, and requirements are actually > pretty complicated: alternative packages, specific version numbers... Can you pro

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 09:45:27AM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote: > Barry Warsaw schrieb: > two problems: The libraries they depend on aren't ported, and the > KLOC of code they care about are hard and tedious work to port, not > to mention that it typically isn't viewed as productive work by those > w

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future __ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: > > > This may be more complicated than it sounds, because you'd probably > > add a very general requirement-indicating feature to PyPI, not merely > > a 'supports 3.0' Boolean on each record, and requirements are actually > > pretty complicated: alternative p

[Python-Dev] Pickle, 3.0, and recursion

2008-10-04 Thread Aaron Gallagher
Hi, I posted a bug ticket on bugs.python.org, specifically #3119. Link: http://bugs.python.org/issue3119 The original issue is that the default Pickler can exceed the maximum recursion depth for structures that are fairly nested. There's a patch attached to the ticket that fixes this behavio

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: >>> This may be more complicated than it sounds, because you'd probably >>> add a very general requirement-indicating feature to PyPI, not merely >>> a 'supports 3.0' Boolean on each record, and requirements are actually >>> pretty compl

Re: [Python-Dev] for __future__ import planning

2008-10-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 3, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: Wow! I guess release.py is going to get really automated then. =) That or you are going to manage to con more of us to help out (and even cut the release ourselves). release.py is really coming along

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Brett Cannon schrieb: >> Last not least, there should be a *central* location on python.org where >> specifically all resources on 2->3 transition are collected. Talks, >> documents, links, and some crucial information many people seem to miss, >> such as how long the 2.x series will at least be m

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Barry Warsaw schrieb: >> On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> >>> So now that we've released 2.6 and are working hard on shepherding 3.0 >>> out the door, it's time to worry about the next set of releases.

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Well, since for >95% of the (potential) Py3k users it is more important than > e.g. the import rewrite in Python (no stab at you intended, Brett), it is > something someone will have to get around to doing. > > I'm not excusing myself; in fact, I'd be happy to work on this, but overall > the tea

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Brett Cannon
[replying to both Georg and Martin] On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:17 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, since for >95% of the (potential) Py3k users it is more important than >> e.g. the import rewrite in Python (no stab at you intended, Brett), it is >> something someone will h

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Facundo Batista
2008/10/4 Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So the mailing list is a good idea. Perhaps it should just be > python-porting so that it can also be used for people who have > problems with minor releases? +1. I'd try to help on that list, also. -- .Facundo Blog: http://www.taniquetil.com.a

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: This may be more complicated than it sounds, because you'd probably add a very general requirement-indicating feature to PyPI, not merely a 's

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1 focus (was Re: for __future__ import planning)

2008-10-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Setuptools declares dependencies, but does not add a Python version > requirement, > like what was proposed in PEP 345 (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0345/) > with a new metadata called 'Requires Python' > > Even if the problem is fixed in short term with a Trove classifier, Why would th