On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 02:46:11AM -0500, Donald Stufft wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 2:13 AM, PJ Eby wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Daniel Holth wrote:
>
> How to use Obsoletes:
>
> The author of B decides A is obsolete.
>
> A releases an e
Hi All,
Would anyone object to me making a change to the docs for 2.6, 2.7 and
3.x to clarify the following:
http://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html#subprocess.Popen.poll
A couple of my colleagues have ended up writing code like this:
proc = Popen(['some', 'thing'])
code = proc.poll
Le Wed, 05 Dec 2012 16:08:46 +,
Chris Withers a écrit :
> Hi All,
>
> Would anyone object to me making a change to the docs for 2.6, 2.7
> and 3.x to clarify the following:
>
> http://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html#subprocess.Popen.poll
The doc looks clear to me. poll() returns t
On 05/12/2012 16:34, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
http://docs.python.org/3/library/subprocess.html#subprocess.Popen.poll
The doc looks clear to me. poll() returns the returncode attribute which
is described thusly:
"A None value indicates that the process hasn’t terminated yet."
Therefore, I don't u
On 06/12/12 03:08, Chris Withers wrote:
I'd like to change the docs for poll() to say:
"""
Check if child process has terminated.
If it has, the returncode attribute will be set and that value will be returned.
If it has not, None will be returned and the returncode attribute will remain
None.
On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:15:08 +1100
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 06/12/12 03:08, Chris Withers wrote:
>
> > I'd like to change the docs for poll() to say:
> >
> > """
> > Check if child process has terminated.
> > If it has, the returncode attribute will be set and that value will be
> > returned.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:46 AM, Donald Stufft wrote:
> There's nothing preventing an installer from, during it's attempt to
> install B, see it Obsoletes A, looking at what depends on A and
> warning the user what is going to happen and prompt it.
Unless the user wrote those things that depend on
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM, PJ Eby wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:46 AM, Donald Stufft
> wrote:
> > There's nothing preventing an installer from, during it's attempt to
> > install B, see it Obsoletes A, looking at what depends on A and
> > warning the user what is going to happen and pro
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM, PJ Eby wrote:
> My point is that this can only work if the "obsoleting" is effectively
> just a rename, in which case the field should be "renames", or better
> still, "renamed-to" on the originating package.
Arguing over Obsoletes vs Renames is a massive
On Dec 05, 2012, at 04:10 PM, PJ Eby wrote:
>While it's certainly desirable to not invent wheels, it's important to
>understand that the Python community does not work the same way as a
>Linux distribution. We are not a single organization shipping a
>fully-functional and configured machine, we a
On Dec 05, 2012, at 06:07 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
>If you're installing B you've prescribed trust to that author. If you don't
>trust the author then why are you installing (and then executing) code
>they wrote.
What you installed Z, but B got installed because it was a dependency three
levels
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Dec 05, 2012, at 06:07 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
>
> > If you're installing B you've prescribed trust to that author. If you don't
> > trust the author then why are you installing (and then executing) code
> > they wrote.
> >
>
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Holth wrote:
> My desire is to invent the useful "wheel" binary package format in a
> reasonable and limited amount of time by making changes to Metadata 1.2 and
> implementing the new metadata format and wheel in distribute and pip. Help
> me out by allowing
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
> Arguing over Obsoletes vs Renames is a massive bikeshedding argument.
And is entirely beside the point. The substantive question is whether
it's Obsoletes or Obsoleted-By - i.e., which side is it declared on.
> So it's a bad example. Hardly
I understand the PEP author's frustration with continued discussion,
but I think this subthread on Obsoletes vs. Obsoleted-By is not mere
bikeshedding on names. It matters *which package* presents the
information.
Donald Stufft writes:
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Barry Warsaw w
On 2012-12-06 02:12, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
I understand the PEP author's frustration with continued discussion,
but I think this subthread on Obsoletes vs. Obsoleted-By is not mere
bikeshedding on names. It matters *which package* presents the
information.
Donald Stufft writes:
> On Wed
Makes sense. How about calling it Replacement. 0 or 1?
Replacement (optional)
::
Indicates that this project is no longer being developed. The named
project provides a drop-in replacement.
A version declaration may be supplied and must follow the rules described
in `Version
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:15:08 +1100
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > Possibly because it is 4am here, I had to read this three times to
> understand it.
> > How is this instead?
> >
> > """
> > Check if child process has terminated. Returns None
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Daniel Holth wrote:
> My desire is to invent the useful "wheel" binary package format in a
> reasonable and limited amount of time by making changes to Metadata 1.2 and
> implementing the new metadata format and wheel in distribute and pip. Help
> me out by allowin
On 12/5/2012 10:12 PM, Daniel Holth wrote:
Makes sense. How about calling it Replacement. 0 or 1?
Replacement (optional)
::
Indicates that this project is no longer being developed. The named
project provides a drop-in replacement.
A version declaration may be supplied and
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Daniel Holth wrote:
> Makes sense. How about calling it Replacement. 0 or 1?
>
Hah, you'd think I'd have learned by now to finish reading a thread before
replying. It will be nice to get this addressed along with the other
changes :)
(FWIW, Conflicts and Obsolete
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Daniel Holth wrote:
>
>> Makes sense. How about calling it Replacement. 0 or 1?
>>
>
> Hah, you'd think I'd have learned by now to finish reading a thread before
> replying. It will be nice to get this addresse
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 07:34:41PM -0500, PJ Eby wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
>
> Nobody has actually proposed a better one, outside of package renaming
> -- and that example featured an author who could just as easily have
> used an obsoleted-by field.
>
How abo
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