Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3156 - Asynchronous IO Support Rebooted

2013-01-09 Thread Glyph
On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > But which half? A socket is two independent streams, one in each > direction. Twisted uses half_close() for this concept but unless you > already know what this is for you are left wondering which half. Which > is why I like using 'write' in t

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3156 - Asynchronous IO Support Rebooted

2013-01-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi Yuriy, For the record, it isn't necessary to cross-post. python-ideas is the place for discussing this, and most interested people will be subscribed to both python-ideas and python-dev, and therefore they get duplicate messages. Regards Antoine. Le Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:14:02 +0400, Yuriy Ta

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3156 - Asynchronous IO Support Rebooted

2013-01-09 Thread Yuriy Taraday
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Yuriy Taraday > wrote: > >> - pause() and resume() work with reading only, so they should be > suffixed > >> (prefixed) with read(ing), like paus

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3156 - Asynchronous IO Support Rebooted

2013-01-09 Thread Yuriy Taraday
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Changing event loops in the middle of event processing is not a common > (or even useful) pattern. You start the event loop and then leave it > alone. > Yes. It was not-so-great morning idea. > Yes, 'write' part is good, I should menti

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3156 - Asynchronous IO Support Rebooted

2013-01-09 Thread Yuriy Taraday
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Hi Yuriy, > > For the record, it isn't necessary to cross-post. python-ideas is > the place for discussing this, and most interested people will be > subscribed to both python-ideas and python-dev, and therefore they get > duplicate messag

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-ideas] PEP 3156 - Asynchronous IO Support Rebooted

2013-01-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Yuriy Taraday wrote: > My interns told me that they remember EOF as special object only from high > school when they had to study Pascal. I guess, in 5 years students won't > understand how one can write an EOF. (and schools will finally replace > Pascal with Python

[Python-Dev] Set close-on-exec flag by default in SocketServer

2013-01-09 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, The SocketServer class creates a socket to listen on clients, and a new socket per client (only for stream server like TCPServer, not for UDPServer). Until recently (2011-05-24, issue #5715), the listening socket was not closed after fork for the ForkingMixIn flavor. This caused two issues: i

Re: [Python-Dev] Set close-on-exec flag by default in SocketServer

2013-01-09 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > My question is: would you accept to break backward compatibility (in > Python 3.4) to fix a potential security vulnerability? > > If not, an alternative is to add an option, disabled by default, to > enable (or disable) explicitly close-on-ex

[Python-Dev] Arena terminology (PyArena vs obmalloc.c:"arena")

2013-01-09 Thread Trent Nelson
There's no correlation between PyArenas and the extensive use of the term "arena" in obmalloc.c, right? I initially assumed there was, based solely on the common use of the term arena. However, after more investigation, it *appears* as though there's absolutely no correlation.

Re: [Python-Dev] Arena terminology (PyArena vs obmalloc.c:"arena")

2013-01-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2013/1/9 Trent Nelson : > There's no correlation between PyArenas and the extensive use of the > term "arena" in obmalloc.c, right? Correct. -- Regards, Benjamin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/

Re: [Python-Dev] Set close-on-exec flag by default in SocketServer

2013-01-09 Thread Charles-François Natali
> My question is: would you accept to break backward compatibility (in > Python 3.4) to fix a potential security vulnerability? Although obvious, the security implications are not restricted to sockets (yes, it's a contrived example): """ # cat test_inherit.py import fcntl import os import pwd imp

Re: [Python-Dev] Set close-on-exec flag by default in SocketServer

2013-01-09 Thread Victor Stinner
2013/1/9 Charles-François Natali : >> My question is: would you accept to break backward compatibility (in >> Python 3.4) to fix a potential security vulnerability? > > Although obvious, the security implications are not restricted to > sockets (yes, it's a contrived example): > ... > f = open("/tm

Re: [Python-Dev] Set close-on-exec flag by default in SocketServer

2013-01-09 Thread Victor Stinner
2013/1/10 Victor Stinner : > A better API is maybe to add a "cloexec" argument to open(), ... I realized that setting close-on-exec flag is a non trivial problem. There are many ways to set it depending on the function, on the OS, and on the OS version. There is also the difficult question of the