Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 (PyPI metadata 1.3)

2013-02-15 Thread Erik Bray
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Éric Araujo netwok.org> writes: > >> Looks like we agree that a basic tool able to bootstrap the packaging >> story is needed :) > > Agreed. Just because distutils can't easily/reliably build things that are > better built with SCons/WAF/tup/wh

[Python-Dev] PYTHONSTARTUP and -i

2013-02-15 Thread Draic Kin
Hello. Python doc says that the PYTHONSTARTUP file is not read when a script is run with the -i option. Is there a reason for this? Is there a way to get the functionality i.e. to be able to run specified Python file just before the first prompt of interactive interpreter? Use case: I want to run

[Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Travis Oliphant
Hey all, With Numba and Blaze we have been doing a lot of work on what essentially is compiler technology and realizing more and more that we are treading on ground that has been plowed before with many other projects. So, we wanted to create a web-site and perhaps even a mailing list or for

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposing "Argument Clinic", a new way of specifying arguments to builtins for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Stefan Behnel
Hi, this reply seems to have drowned, so here it is again. Stefan Behnel, 04.12.2012 16:36: > Why not provide a constructor for signature objects that parses the > signature from a string? For a signature like > >def func(int arg1, float arg2, ExtType arg3, *, > object arg4=None)

Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 (PyPI metadata 1.3)

2013-02-15 Thread Daniel Holth
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Erik Bray wrote: > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Vinay Sajip > wrote: > > Éric Araujo netwok.org> writes: > > > >> Looks like we agree that a basic tool able to bootstrap the packaging > >> story is needed :) > > > > Agreed. Just because distutils can't easil

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Paul Boddie
Travis Oliphant wrote: > > With Numba and Blaze we have been doing a lot of work on what essentially > is compiler technology and realizing more and more that we are treading on > ground that has been plowed before with many other projects. So, we > wanted to create a web-site and perhaps even a

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Stefan Behnel
Paul Boddie, 15.02.2013 22:44: > Travis Oliphant wrote: >> This page is specifically for Compiler projects that either integrate with >> or work directly with the CPython run-time which is why PyPy is not >> presently listed. The PyPy project is a great project but we just felt >> that we wanted t

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Philip Jenvey
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > This is off-topic for this list, but the main problem with PyPy is that > you'll quickly hit a lot of walls when you try to use it for anything > serious in the area. It's true that there is a certain level of > interoperability with CPython

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Paul Boddie
Stefan Behnel wrote: > > This is off-topic for this list, but the main problem with PyPy is that > you'll quickly hit a lot of walls when you try to use it for anything > serious in the area. It's true that there is a certain level of > interoperability with CPython extensions, but calling it a "fo

[Python-Dev] Submitting PEP 425 (compatibility tags)

2013-02-15 Thread Daniel Holth
This is the improved compatibility tags PEP 425, specifying how part of the Wheel PEP 427 filenames work. Last time we discussed whether replacing . with _ was ugly but I concluded it was harmless. Submitted for your consideration, PEP: 425 Title: Compatibility Tags for Built Distributions Versio

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Stefan Behnel
Philip Jenvey, 16.02.2013 01:01: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: >> So, while I agree that PyPy is worth a try in certain application areas, >> and can be helpful for some special needs, also in the field of scientific >> computing, it's lightyears away from a production-rea

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On 16/02/13 16:41, Stefan Behnel wrote: PyPy is indeed a work in progress in this area, but that doesn't necessarily preclude it from being included. That may be a matter of POV, but as long as PyPy fails to integrate (and you just called that "not a main focus"), I find it hard to defend its

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Stefan Behnel
Steven D'Aprano, 16.02.2013 07:13: > On 16/02/13 16:41, Stefan Behnel wrote: > >>> PyPy is indeed a work in progress in this area, but that doesn't >>> necessarily preclude it from being included. >> >> That may be a matter of POV, but as long as PyPy fails to integrate (and >> you just called tha

Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 (PyPI metadata 1.3)

2013-02-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Erik Bray wrote: > TL;DR, strong -1 on the stdlib "getting out of the build business". > Also as I think Nick already mentioned one of the wins of > Setup-Requires-Dist is to have a standard way to bring in extra build > requirements (such as bento) so if we have b

Re: [Python-Dev] A new webpage promoting Compiler technology for CPython

2013-02-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > Hmm, I don't have the feeling that this discussion is leading anywhere > (especially not on this list). After all, it's quite possible to fire up a > PyPy runtime from a CPython runtime and have them talk to each other, > letting each one do

[Python-Dev] PYTHONSTARTUP and -i

2013-02-15 Thread Draic Kin
Hello. Python doc says that the PYTHONSTARTUP file is not read when a script is run with the -i option. Is there a reason for this? Is there a way to get the functionality i.e. to be able to run specified Python file just before the first prompt of interactive interpreter? Use case: I want to run

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2013-02-15 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2013-02-08 - 2013-02-15) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open3845 ( -2) closed 25141 (+53) total 28986 (+51) Open issues wit