[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2014-12-12 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2014-12-05 - 2014-12-12) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open4666 ( +0) closed 30137 (+42) total 34803 (+42) Open issues

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've ported 10-20 libraries to Python 3 and write Python 2/3 compatible code at work. I'm also aware of how much writing 2/3 compatible code makes me hate Python as a language. It'll be a happy day when one of the two languages

[Python-Dev] Issue 22919: Update PCBuild for VS 2015

2014-12-12 Thread Steve Dower
FYI, I've just committed these changes (http://bugs.python.org/issue22919). There shouldn't be any immediate failures, as the updated projects will still build with VS 2010, but our Windows developers/buildbots can migrate onto the later tools as they feel comfortable. I know there are at

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2014-12-11, 14:47 GMT, Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: I still think the only *real* obstacle remains the lack of important packages such as twisted, gevent and pika which haven't been ported yet. And unwise decisions of some vendors (like, unfortunately my belvoed employer with RHEL-7) not to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Petr Viktorin
Also keep in mind that not all Python libraries are on PyPI. For non-Python projects with Python bindings (think video players, OpenCV, systemd, Samba), distribution via PyPI doesn't make much sense. And since the Python bindings are usually second-class citizens, the porting doesn't have a high

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 12, 2014, at 08:07 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: If anyone is wondering why their favorite Linux distribution is stuck with Python 2 – well, I can only speak for Fedora, but nowadays most of what's left are CPython bindings. No pylint --py3k or 2to3 will help there... It's true that some of

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2/3 porting HOWTO has been updated

2014-12-12 Thread Brett Cannon
I have now addressed Nick's comments and backported to Python 2.7. On Sat Dec 06 2014 at 8:40:24 AM Brett Cannon bcan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I'll update the doc probably on Friday. On Sat Dec 06 2014 at 12:41:54 AM Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 December

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Terry Reedy
On 12/12/2014 1:24 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: However, my point was that just because the core libraries by usage are *starting* to roll out Python 3 support doesn't mean that things are easy or convenient yet. ... I suppose what I'm saying is that the long tail of libraries is far more valuable

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24:15AM -0800, Mark Roberts wrote: So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've ported 10-20 libraries to Python 3 and write Python 2/3 compatible code at work. I'm also aware of how much writing 2/3 compatible code makes me hate Python as

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24:15AM -0800, Mark Roberts wrote: So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've ported 10-20 libraries to Python 3 and write Python 2/3 compatible code at work.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:29 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:24:15AM -0800, Mark Roberts wrote: So, I'm more than aware of how to write Python 2/3 compatible code. I've ported

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: So that's basically it, lowest common demoniator programming where it's hard to look at the future and see anything but the same (or similar) language subset that I'm currently using. This is especially frustrating when

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: So that's basically it, lowest common demoniator programming where it's hard to look at the future and see anything but the same (or similar)

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: First of all, it's essentially the route that Python itself took and the side effects of that is essentially what is making things less-fun for me to write Python. Doing the same to the users of the things I write would make