[Python-Dev] Let's make the SSL module sane

Hi, (CC TLS gurus) For 3.6 I like to make the SSL more sane and more secure by default. Yes, I'm a bit late but all my proposals are implemented, documented, partly tested and existing tests are passing. I'm going to write more tests and documentation after beta1. First I like to deprecated

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On 9/10/2016 5:27 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 10 September 2016 at 17:49, Ethan Furman wrote: Per Victor's advice I'm posting this here. PEP 520 has been accepted, but without the __definition_order__ attribute. The accompanying comment: "Note: Since compact dict has

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On 10 September 2016 at 17:49, Ethan Furman wrote: > Per Victor's advice I'm posting this here. > > PEP 520 has been accepted, but without the __definition_order__ attribute. > The accompanying comment: > >> "Note: Since compact dict has landed in 3.6, __definition_order__ has

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On 10 September 2016 at 19:27, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 10 September 2016 at 17:49, Ethan Furman wrote: >> The "mostly" is what concerns me. Much like having a custom __dir__ lets >> a class fine-tune what is of interest, a custom __definition_order__

[Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

Per Victor's advice I'm posting this here. PEP 520 has been accepted, but without the __definition_order__ attribute. The accompanying comment: "Note: Since compact dict has landed in 3.6, __definition_order__ has been removed. cls.__dict__ now mostly accomplishes the same thing instead."

Re: [Python-Dev] sys.path file feature

On 10 September 2016 at 18:37, Wolfgang wrote: > Hi, > > tracking the commit log I have noticed for Windows there was added a new > feature which is very interesting and can also be useful for other > platforms. > > If I read it right it supports adding a sys.path text file

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 467: last round (?)

On 01.09.16 22:36, Ethan Furman wrote: * Add ``bytes.iterbytes`` and ``bytearray.iterbytes`` alternative iterators Could you please add a mention of alternative: seqtools.chunks()? seqtools.chunks(bytes, 1) and seqtools.chunks(bytearray, 1) should be equivalent to bytes.iterbytes() and

Re: [Python-Dev] [Webmaster] A broken link!

Hi Karen, Thanks for your note. I just checked the source of the document in question, and it appears that link has been changed to reference https://www.mercurial-scm.org/guide, so it appears that we may be publishing an out-of-date document there. I'm copying this reply to the python-dev list,

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's make the SSL module sane

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: > > I don't load any certs because it is not possible to remove a cert or > X509 lookup once it is loaded. create_default_context() just have to > load the certs and set more secure ciper suites. This part is the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

Thanks for bringing this up. I think it's definitely possible to argue either way. I think what happened before was that I approved __definition_order__ because I wasn't expecting dict to be ordered by default. Now that Inada Naoki's patch has landed things have changed. Here's my reason for

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's make the SSL module sane

On 11 September 2016 at 00:22, Christian Heimes wrote: > First I like to deprecated some old APIs and favor of SSLCotext. We have > multiple ways to create a SSL socket or to configure libraries like > urllib. The general idea is to make SSLContext the central object for >

Re: [Python-Dev] [Webmaster] A broken link!

On 11 September 2016 at 01:27, Steve Holden wrote: > Hi Karen, > > Thanks for your note. I just checked the source of the document in question, > and it appears that link has been changed to reference > https://www.mercurial-scm.org/guide, so it appears that we may be

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On 11 September 2016 at 03:08, Guido van Rossum wrote: > So I'm happy to continue thinking about this, but I expect this is not > such a big deal as you fear. Anyway, let's see if someone comes up > with a more convincing argument by beta 2! For CPython specifically, I don't

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On Sep 10, 2016 11:00, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > > On 11 September 2016 at 03:08, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > So I'm happy to continue thinking about this, but I expect this is not > > such a big deal as you fear. Anyway, let's see if someone comes up > > with

[Python-Dev] sys.path file feature

Hi, tracking the commit log I have noticed for Windows there was added a new feature which is very interesting and can also be useful for other platforms. If I read it right it supports adding a sys.path text file near the executable to specify the Python sys.path variable and overwriting

Re: [Python-Dev] sys.path file feature

The underscore is an appropriate rename here, but calling the file sys.path was too juicy :) It's intended only for embedding on Windows and does not exist on Linux/Mac yet (more precisely, implementation is only in PC/getpathp.c). I chatted with some people about spreading it and there wasn't

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's make the SSL module sane

On 2016-09-10 18:24, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> On Sep 10, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: >> >> I don't load any certs because it is not possible to remove a cert or >> X509 lookup once it is loaded. create_default_context() just have to >> load the certs and set

[Python-Dev] Installation Error

Good evening! I tried downloading Python yesterday and was met with some success. I have been searching for solutions but can not seem to find one. Each time I try to run python an error occurs saying; python.exe - System Error The program can't start because api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0.dll is

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.6 dict becomes compact and gets a private version; and keywords become ordered

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 09, 2016, at 01:08 PM, Elvis Pranskevichus wrote: > >>Are there any downsides to explicitly specifying that all dicts are ordered? >>People will inevitably start relying on this behaviour, and this will >>essentially

Re: [Python-Dev] Installation Error

On 2016-09-11 00:44, Trevon Bizzle wrote: Good evening! I tried downloading Python yesterday and was met with some success. I have been searching for solutions but can not seem to find one. Each time I try to run python an error occurs saying; python.exe - System Error The program can't start

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 11 September 2016 at 03:08, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> So I'm happy to continue thinking about this, but I expect this is not >> such a big deal as you fear. Anyway, let's see if someone comes up >>

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On 11 September 2016 at 07:26, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> On 11 September 2016 at 03:08, Guido van Rossum wrote: >>> So I'm happy to continue thinking about this, but I expect this is

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 11 September 2016 at 07:26, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Nick Coghlan > wrote: > >> On 11 September 2016 at 03:08, Guido van Rossum

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's make the SSL module sane

On 11 September 2016 at 05:20, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2016-09-10 17:24, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> On 11 September 2016 at 00:22, Christian Heimes wrote: >>> First I like to deprecated some old APIs and favor of SSLCotext. We have >>> multiple ways

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.6 dict becomes compact and gets a private version; and keywords become ordered

On 11 September 2016 at 09:41, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Sep 09, 2016, at 01:08 PM, Elvis Pranskevichus wrote: >> >>>Are there any downsides to explicitly specifying that all dicts are ordered? >>>People

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP520 and absence of __definition_order__

On Sep 10, 2016 10:11, "Guido van Rossum" wrote: > > Thanks for bringing this up. I think it's definitely possible to argue > either way. I think what happened before was that I approved > __definition_order__ because I wasn't expecting dict to be ordered by > default. Now that

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's make the SSL module sane

On 2016-09-10 17:24, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 11 September 2016 at 00:22, Christian Heimes wrote: >> First I like to deprecated some old APIs and favor of SSLCotext. We have >> multiple ways to create a SSL socket or to configure libraries like >> urllib. The general idea is